TAPE #HA101B
The following is a transcript of a consensually monitored conversation which occurred on June 26, 1996, at Bellingham, Washington. Parties to this conversation are Special Agent MICHAEL GERMAN in an undercover capacity, a Cooperating Witness, and subjects MICHAEL O'LAIRE, JOSHUA LEIBRANT, MARLIN MACK and FRED FISHER.
SA MICHAEL GERMAN: This is Special Agent Michael German. The date is June twenty-sixth, nineteen ninety-six. The time now is approximately six thirty-two. Ah, the following is going to be a tape recorded meeting at thirteen-O-one Frasier Avenue in Bellingham. Ah, the tape will be turned off until I arrive at that location and the subjects also arise at that, arrive at that location.
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MICHAEL O'LAIRE: Brought this...
GERMAN: Oh, okay.
O'LAIRE: ...I don't know if you wanted to look at that. That's for sale for...
GERMAN: You know, that other one...
O'LAIRE:Yeah?
GERMAN: ...I left in my apartment.
O'LAIRE: Oh.
GERMAN: After the meeting, can you come, or wait here with Ed.
O'LAIRE: Oh, okay.
GERMAN: ...and I'll go get it and bring it back, so...
O'LAIRE: oh, okay.
GERMAN: ...cause I know he wanted to talk to you about it.
O'LAIRE: Yeah. Hey, no problem, you know.
GERMAN: Okay. You don't mind waiting? I, I'm sorry about that. I should have brought it with me.
O'LAIRE: Oh, that's no problem.
GERMAN: It'll take me about twenty minutes to get down there and back.
O'LAIRE: Oh, it's, I'm not worried about it.
GERMAN: Oh, okay. How you been?
O'LAIRE: All right.
GERMAN: Yeah, we had our, uh...
O'LAIRE: Wow. You're set up in here.
GERMAN: Yeah, starting to, huh?
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
GERMAN: We had, ah, uh, you know, the bigger meeting with the...
O'LAIRE: Yeah, yeah.
GERMAN: ...regular meeting yesterday and, uh...
O'LAIRE: Did, did Dan Knight (phonetic) show up?
GERMAN: No, he didn't. But his, one of his buddies did and they're all concerned because apparently somebody called him and threatened to kill him, you know. (Laughs) Marlin told me about it.
O'LAIRE: I would, I didn't wanna tell you, I did until...
GERMAN: No, yeah, no, definitely.
O'LAIRE: ...but...
GERMAN: No. Dave told me about it before. Ah, that's too funny. That musta been hilarious.
O'LAIRE: Yeah. I was on my way over there to look for Josh, and Ed calls me up on my cell phone and he says, Mike? And I said, I figured out who it was and I said yeah. He says, I need you to come over. I said, well, I already am. He says, what? And...
GERMAN: (Laughs)
O'LAIRE: ...he says, I need you to come over. I said, I'm coming over, don't worry. And he, says, where're you at? And I said, I'm almost by Haggen's. He said, okay, bye. So, I just came over and, uh, we had, ah, we had this little war going on at my place.
GERMAN: Oh, really?
O'LAIRE: Oh, yeah. All dressed up in camo waiting for these guys to try to take a shit on my doorstep.
GERMAN: Oh, you kiddin' me?
O'LAIRE: No, we, we're always doing practical jokes, so...
GERMAN: Oh, okay.
O'LAIRE: ...you know.
GERMAN: So it's no big deal.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, no.
GERMAN: You were gonna scare the hell out of 'em, though, huh?
O'LAIRE: Oh, yeah. We, my boss saw me in full camo and face paint and everything coming out of the truck, so he kind of freaked out.
GERMAN: Excuse me.
O'LAIRE: Ah, oh, well.
GERMAN: So, what, then Marlin, uh, told you what to say to him?
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I kinda, he told me to scare 'im, so I kinda...
GERMAN: Came up with that on your own?
O'LAIRE: ...yeah, and then, asked them if they liked that, so. Yeah, he said to me, he sounded pretty scared, then he says, uh, I told him that if he shows up to another meeting, I was gonna kill him and he says, well, go ahead, or, he says, bring, or bring lots of body bags and we'll have sandwiches or something like that, uh, (unintelligible).
GERMAN: Too funny. Have you met him? I guess not, huh?
O'LAIRE: Unh-uh, no.
GERMAN: Yeah, he's pretty funny. He's about as dumb as a stump.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, that's what I heard.
GERMAN: Oh, well.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, that other, uh, pistol that I brought down, or that was, that Josh had that time over at Ed's a few days ago, so I just showed it to Ed then and Ed said he liked it, but that thing, that was the same one that it misfired, it didn't misfire, it just jams sometimes, it just, once in a while...
GERMAN: Yeah, maybe that's what he wants to talk about. He brought it over to my place and I, I just saw it. I didn't shoot it.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
GERMAN: And then, uh, and I was supposed to bring it down cause he wanted to talk to you about something on it.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I remember that I didn't tell him that, um, that night that I showed it to him, but I said something about it before to everybody, so I figured he knew, so I had to make sure I told him tonight.
GERMAN: Yeah, no problem. I, I, I apologize for that.
O'LAIRE: Oh, no.
GERMAN: If, if you don't mind waitin' till afterwards.
O'LAIRE: I'm not worried about it. Even if, I mean, I'm not worried about it at all.
GERMAN: Well, the problem is I'm leaving tonight, so I gotta get it back here to let...
O'LAIRE: Okay.
GERMAN: ...to let you guys do whatever he's gonna do with that.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
GERMAN: If, if it's okay for you to wait around. I mean I don't know how long the meeting's gonna go, but I imagine it'll probably be a short one. I don't think there's a whole lot to talk about.
O'LAIRE: Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna, I guess I wanted to start paint balling now.
GERMAN: Oh really? Good. Is there a place around here?
O'LAIRE: Yeah, um, Semper Fi or, I think that's what they call, call it, out on Fall Road, out in Henderson.
GERMAN: How far away?
O'LAIRE: Or it not on the Fall Road, it's on the (unintelligible).
GERMAN: How far away, do you know?
O'LAIRE: Uh...
GERMAN: How much, like...
O'LAIRE: From here, about twenty miles.
GERMAN: Boy, that would be a lot of fun to go do that.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, huh?
GERMAN: Have you done it before?
O'LAIRE: Huh-huh, but I've done slingshots.
GERMAN: (Laughs) That hurts a little more with slingshots, I bet.
O'LAIRE: Oh, yeah. Yeah, so, and then we go out on the islands in the summertime with slingshots and have big wars.
GERMAN: No kidding.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
GERMAN: Too funny.
O'LAIRE: Out of town.
(Pause)
GERMAN: Yeah. Well, we got a lot of tapes out.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
GERMAN: This is all the stuff that's, was in boxes. I don't know if you had a chance to look through all that. Look at all these audio tapes, too. I haven't looked at half of it, to tell you the truth. But if there's anything you wanna take, feel free to grab whatever you need.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, it's getting stocked in here.
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: You guys still thinking about building a fake wall?
GERMAN: Yeah. What I, what I think might be easier is to build, ah, uh, I had one of these before. I don't know what the hell I ever did with it, but basically it was stacks of plywood, about, you know, four-by-six...
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
GERMAN: ...and it was just a stack about this high, but the inside was hollowed out. So it looked like, you know, if you had it up against the wall...
O'LAIRE: Oh, yeah.
GERMAN: ...like it was just plywood stacked there.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
GERMAN: But if you took, you know, in the first like three or four sheets...
O'LAIRE: Uh-huh.
GERMAN: ...were real, but then after about five sheets, all of a sudden, there's, ah, a carve out.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, all of a sudden, yes. A piece falls off.
GERMAN: I'm thinking of trying to make one of those. Maybe we could come in here with a jigsaw.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, that would be simple too. Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah, that's what I figured. It's the easiest thing to...
O'LAIRE: I mean it's way easier than doing that and it's cheaper and...
GERMAN: Yeah, I know. Yep. Doesn't require any real skill.
O'LAIRE: Uh-huh.
GERMAN: I mean all you need is just...
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I know. It's just, all you need is a...
GERMAN: ...a big Skil saw and...
O'LAIRE: Yeah, a Skil saw and some nails.
GERMAN: ...put it together.
O'LAIRE: (Unintelligible).
GERMAN: Uh, I leave tomorrow for, uh, back to get more stuff. So, I, is there, uh, anything in particular you need?
O'LAIRE: Oh, I just need boots and a mask really.
GERMAN: Okay. None, none of these boots worked out for you, huh?
O'LAIRE: I never really tried these on. Uh, I could try some.
GERMAN: Okay.
O'LAIRE: Okay, if you can get any face paint, cause, well, I was using all that stuff the other...
GERMAN: Yeah. This is Marlin's.
O'LAIRE: Oh, the cream must be way better. I was using the stuff that's in the compact with three different things. It's just, ah, it's hard to get on, hard to get off.
GERMAN: Yeah. I don't know.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, we're gonna try to...
GERMAN: Yeah, this is probably a lot easier to deal with.
O'LAIRE: ...try to do some paint balling, Josh and I so...
GERMAN: Yeah. How 'bout, uh, Gary? Is he or Gary, Greg.
O'LAIRE: Greg. Oh, um, I haven't, let's see. I saw Greg on the weekend...
GERMAN: Hm-mmm.
O'LAIRE: ...and he just said that, you know, he, he just said that he wasn't gonna go to the shooting thing, I think it was the, the last time I saw him so. It was the last that I saw of him.
GERMAN: Yeah. You don't think he's gonna come back, huh?
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I kind of hope not. He's (unintelligible).
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: No one really likes Greg.
GERMAN: But he's Josh's roommate.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, but I don't think Josh has seen him for a while.
GERMAN: oh, really?
O'LAIRE: Yeah, cause I think is Josh is gonna have to move back in with his dad unless he gets a job in the next...
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: ...few days 'cause...
GERMAN: That's too bad about that. Losing his job over that. (Knocking) Wanna let them in? (Knocking)
O'LAIRE: Yeah, this is a nice place.
GERMAN: Yeah, gettin' there.
O'LAIRE: Is this an office in here or...
GERMAN: Yeah. Ac-actually Marlin's, go ahead, Marlin, Marlin was thinkin' of making this more a, uh, a cache. Hey, Josh, how are you?
JOSHUA LEIBRANT: Good.
GERMAN: Working over at, uh, Ed's today? Saw your truck over there. (Laughs) So nobody thinks they can get in here. (Laughs)
LEIBRANT: Even if they can.
GERMAN: (Laughs) Yeah. Or if they can get in, they won't get out.
O'LAIRE: You wanna stay at my place for the next few days while I'm gone?
LEIBRANT: I don't know.
O'LAIRE: 'Cause I'm leaving tonight for, or tomorrow for the, go down south and (unintelligible) so, if you wanna stay there, I think this, this is the time they're gonna try to attack.
GERMAN: (Laughs) Causing trouble already, huh? Come on in, back. Anybody else down there yet?
LEIBRANT: No.
GERMAN: Yeah, a little...
O'LAIRE: This looks really inconspicuous, don't it?
GERMAN: What you got?
LIEBRANT: Just this little webbing.
GERMAN: Oh. Oh, yeah, you wanted to, you already got the other one, right?
LIEBRANT: No.
GERMAN: Oh, didn't you? I'm sorry.
(Unintelligible).
GERMAN: Here. Why don't you go through a couple of 'em and pick out the best one. And, uh, keep the pistol belt and the pistol belt hooks on.
O'LAIRE: Oh, Josh, do you wanna paintball this weekend?
LIEBRANT: I thought you were gone for a few days?
O'LAIRE: No, I'm just gone for, till Friday. In the late afternoon.
LIEBRANT: So all this stays on here?
GERMAN: Yeah, go ahead and keep that on there.
LIEBRANT: Keep this?
O'LAIRE: I found my canteen at the house the other day. Yesterday.
GERMAN: This all looks to be in pretty decent shape, so I don't think there's gonna be much difference in 'em.
O'LAIRE: You ice climb?
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: I always wanted to ice climb. I've rock climbed, but...
GERMAN: It's really not much different. I mean you got a little, little different equipment.
O'LAIRE: Plus you've got footholds, everywhere and...
LIEBRANT: That's pretty good (unintelligible).
GERMAN: Yeah. Why don't you go look in there?
LIEBRANT: Make sure that (unintelligible).
[Marlin] MACK: Guys, don't mention anything about Dan. 'Cause we, Fred's here, so...
GERMAN: Oh, okay.
MACK: I'm gonna shoot anybody that says I called him.
GERMAN: I'm glad he said something.
LIEBRANT: (Laughs) (Unintelligible)
O'LAIRE: No, I wasn't.
LIEBRANT: (Unintelligible)
MACK: Homemade laws rockets.
GERMAN: Oh, cool. Is, uh, Ed with you?
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Oh, okay.
O'LAIRE: I told him to stall Fred for a second.
GERMAN: It, do you know if, uh, Gary's coming today? O'LAIRE: I don't think so.
GERMAN: Hey.
FRED FISHER: Hey, hey.
GERMAN: How you doing?
FISHER: Fine.
CW: What are you guys doing here? Did you bring my...
GERMAN: No, I didn't. I'll get it afterwards and bring it back. I'm sorry about that.
CW: That's okay.
GERMAN: Okay. So you guys can just hang out until I come back after.
CW: Yeah.
GERMAN: I'm sorry.
MACK: Goddamnit!
O'LAIRE: I got another one here.
CW: Oh, you do?
O'LAIRE: You want me to get it?
LEIBRANT: Yeah, let's see what the other one looks like.
GERMAN: How you doing?
FISHER: Fine, how 'bout yourself?
GERMAN: Good, good to see you.
FISHER: Yep.
GERMAN: You got one?
LEIBRANT: Yep.
MACK: (Unintelligible) all the same, right?
GERMAN: Yeah, they appear to be. I was trying to figure out the worse one 'cause, uh, Gary just wanted the shoulder strap, so I think this one is missing a webbing. I'll go ahead and take it off and give him the shoulder straps. Hey, I appreciate you, uh, calling me this morning and all. I'm sorry that was so screwed up.
MACK: No problem.
GERMAN: But, uh, just a screwed up deal, you know? Try, ah, I think I was just trying to make it happen cause I was going through there anyway, you know?
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: But, uh, when I get back, we'll put something together.
MACK: All right. (Unintelligible)
LEIBRANT: So many women, so little time.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah, good old Bill.
(Unintelligible background conversation)
GERMAN: Yeah (laughing). How you been?
FISHER: Fine.
GERMAN: Yeah? What's going on, anything?
FISHER: No. Getting a little work in, that's about it. Busy.
MACK: The only one I don't think, you know, this is Mike, this is Fred. Fred, this is Mike.
FISHER: Hi, Mike. How are you?
O'LAIRE: (Unintelligible)
MACK: I think you know everybody else.
GERMAN: You know what? I was gonna take this all apart. Gary wanted just the...
CW: Yeah?
GERMAN: ...shoulder straps, but I'm not sure that'll work well. So why don't you just give him the whole thing and tell him that if he wants to cut the other pieces loose...
CW: That's...yeah.
GERMAN: (Unintelligible)
CW: That's a good idea.
GERMAN: Are these the ones you're not taking?
CW: Yeah.
GERMAN: Tell him that was, the other parts are made of the worst ones I could find so, time, so...
CW: Yeah. (Pause) Don't be shy. Sit at the table.
GERMAN: (Laughs)
O'LAIRE: You know what my boss said to me when we got down there at eight-thirty? He said, oh, you decided to come to work today. He said, the next time you wanna be late like this, you can just look for new employment. (Unintelligible) You think you're working here today? You're not. Just leave. He was mad.
FISHER: Gee, what an asshole!
GERMAN: Man, what was he on you about?
O'LAIRE: I was late for work. I've been late a few times so, I live right upstairs in an apartment where I...
GERMAN: Oh, really. (Laughs)
O'LAIRE: ...where I work, so one time I...
CW: Did you tell him your car wouldn't start?
GERMAN: (Laughs) Yeah.
(Pause)
GERMAN: So did Ed work you hard today?
MACK: You can tell. His pants are all dirty.
LEIBRANT: (Unintelligible) Six bolts in today.
MACK: Whoa! That sounds like Edward.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: Did anybody get the New American magazine? Anybody subscribe to that?
MACK: No.
GERMAN: No.
FISHER: Boy, they got a good article in there this time.
GERMAN: Really?
FISHER: I just got it yesterday in the mail, yeah.
MACK: Well, that's one we don't get.
FISHER: Well, I shoulda brought it down and passed around. It tells about all the Congress voted.
GERMAN: Oh, no kidding.
FISHER: And it shows how Joe Scarsborough, of the House, of Florida...
GERMAN: Yeah?
FISHER: ...state is the best man for us.
GERMAN: Oh, really?
FISHER: He is really, yeah. Yep.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: And then Joe Smith, no, maybe I got, maybe it's John Smith, in the Senate is the next best person for our side. They vote eighty-five to ninety percent...
GERMAN: Really? FISHER: ...constitutional, yeah.
GERMAN: How is that one from Idaho? Chenowith (phonetic) or something that? Lady?
FISHER: Oh.
CW: It's all frozen.
MACK: It's all frozen?
GERMAN: Is she still there? She's still there.
FISHER: I don't, I don't know. I'd have to look in that book and find out for you.
GERMAN: Yeah. 'Cause I know early, she was pretty big supporter. But I don't know. So how was work today?
MACK: Dusty.
GERMAN: Not going to bitch about your boss?
MACK: No.
GERMAN: (Laughs)
MACK: My boss is an asshole, man!
FISHER: That's all he does all day long. Never buys me enough pop on a hot day. Limits me to two cans a day.
MACK: Well, I guess we could go ahead and start with the pledge.
FISHER: Yep.
EVERYONE: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
CW: And let's keep it that way.
MACK: Gotta throw that in.
CW: (Unintelligible)
LIEBRANT: Are we supposed to say our pledge to the other flag there?
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: What's that?
LIEBRANT: Are we supposed to say the pledge to the other flag, too?
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Well which is, which one's the other one? Which were you saying it to the first time? (Laughs)
MACK: Well, uh, couple weeks ago, my sister called me up and she's, uh, her and her husband are pretty knowledgeable to what's going on. They don't, you know, they don't really wanna join the militia or anything but she was, ah, telling me about, I had mentioned to her about the Seatac Detention Center and she, uh, somebody came into her husband's office and, and a lot of people come in there and he's an accountant and they drop off stuff in his, in his little box and, uh, ap-, I'm sure it was this cause it sounds, uh, really similar, but this is a, uh, called a Patriot Report and it's by the Present Truth Ministry, Union Town, Arizona. And it talks about all the detention centers all around the United States and, uh, I actually only got into it just a little bit this morning before I went to work but, uh, I'll, we'll go ahead and pass it around and you can...
FISHER: That back page is really informative.
MACK: Yeah. It's Citizens Tell of Government Plan to Cleanse Society. Yeah. But, uh, basically, what they're gonna do is, you know, figure out, okay, this guy is a gun owner, but he's not really a hot like patriot type person...
GERMAN: Right.
MACK: ...and that, so that's one category. But here's a gun owner that's a militia man or, you know, a Constitutionalist or a Christian or whatever, that, that's the basically, those are the two you have to eliminate, because they're not gonna be able to be coaxed into, or reeducated or whatever, so...
GERMAN: Right.
MACK: ...but they got you wearing these different colored arm bands sh-, depending on what you are, and it's pretty interesting, but I'll go ahead, you can browse...
GERMAN: 'Kay.
MACK: ...it's, ah, pretty (coughs), pretty scary. I mean that gets your blood pumping when you start reading stuff like that.
O'LAIRE: Let's have some more helicopters.
MACK: Yeah, I think that Fred was saying that he had saw some same day...
O'LAIRE: I know.
MACK: ...that you did.
O'LAIRE: Well, I heard some today, too, so...
FISHER: Yeah, two went over today.
MACK: Lots of helicopters.
FISHER: Huey's. A Chinook went over last week and then three Huey's went over, what, three days ago or something like that. I said...
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Right over my house.
GERMAN: Huh.
MACK: Well, Chinooks have been going from Canada, south, and they're coming from the, from the south up to Canada, and within a half hour, they're coming back. So I don't, there, is there a base like right over the border?
FISHER: Yeah.
LIEBRANT: (Unintelligible)
FISHER: (Unintelligible)
MACK: Yeah. That's what I figured, 'cause it's just like going and coming, I can see 'em.
FISHER: Hm-mmm.
MACK: ...working on that building downtown, I can see these things coming and going. There's all kind of helicopters. There's a couple Medivac ones, they're the blue and white...
O'LAIRE: We were buzzed by one of those on a boat and the thing was, just over us, one of those medical...
MACK: Uh-huh.
O'LAIRE: ...helicopters that (unintelligible).
GERMAN: Hmm.
O'LAIRE: They were just circling this great big boat that we were on for a long time. That was maybe a month ago.
MACK: That's interesting.
GERMAN: Hmm. How, how many people were on the boat?
O'LAIRE: Just, my boss was down in the bilge and I was outside and I was watching and just looking right up at 'em and he just kept circling our boat and..
GERMAN: Huh, that is weird.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah. Well, we've had helicopters, the closest one to my house has been like probably three hundred yards, and I don't know what the hell it was doing. It looked like it was down by Georgia or, not Georgia-Pacific, but like just on the other side of Pacific Concrete over there...
FISHER: Hmm.
MACK: ...it was just, I don't know what the hell he was doing, but he was hovering there for a long time.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: I was thinking about taking a couple pot shots at it, but, you know.
O'LAIRE: Well, ours was very close to, um, um, just a few days ago, ours was last weekend. Very close and it was going real slow over our building and...
MACK: Huh.
O'LAIRE: ...then it came back later that evening, so.
FISHER: Well, I've seen more activity in helicopters this last month than I ever have.
MACK: Yeah, me, too.
FISHER: I was out fixing fence for the steers out there. I told you about those Chinooks...
MACK: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: ...and Huey's both that was going and coming.
MACK: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: ...it was coming from the east, kind of southeast and going northwest...
MACK: Hm-mmm. Yeah, there's been a lot of 'em.
O'LAIRE: (Unintelligible) Chinook (unintelligible).
MACK: Are Chinooks the double proper?
FISHER: Yeah, cargo chopper.
MACK: Hm-mmm.
O'LAIRE: And then Huey's just a...
MACK: The military...
O'LAIRE: Yeah, the black. MACK: ...real black. Black. Actually, it looks black, but it's a real dark green usually is what it is. But it looks black.
O'LAIRE: The thing is, this one was black though. I saw it kind of a gray. 'Cause I looked at 'em with binoculars (unintelligible).
MACK: Hm-mmm.
O'LAIRE: (Unintelligible), so
MACK: I think we got pictures of some of those. Ones that people have been seeing, it's in here. Used to be...
LIEBRANT: (Unintelligible) where I was working, went up and down the power lines. So the guy said, (unintelligible).
MACK: Yeah.
LEIBRANT: In fact, I was out there (unintelligible).
FISHER: I've seen about fourteen of them in the last month. And before that, I, I'd seen once a month, or twice a month, if you're lucky.
O'LAIRE: I ain't never seen any before that.
FISHER: Yeah. Yeah, I, the son of a bitch come down pretty low over my house and just went right straight through, I told my wife, I, I oughta shoot that son of a bitch down, take a picture of it, give it to The Herald and say, here. It's a black helicopter there's not supposed to be any of.
MACK: Yeah, that's the thing that's about the black helicopters is that, you know, you can't see a, a number on 'em, so you can't call to confirm, so basically, they don't exist. That's the whole thing. But keep going back, so what? Who cares a black helicopter, they don't think about it, you know. You're just paranoid, you know. Which I am. But...
GERMAN: You're not paranoid if they're really out to get you.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Well, what do you think about that little back page?
GERMAN: That is interesting.
FISHER: It's interesting, isn't it?
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: Makes you kinda get your blood pumping.
GERMAN: Yeah, no kidding.
FISHER: Makes you want to go out and shoot some son of a bitch...
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: ...before they come knocking on your door.
GERMAN: How long ago you think that was? You know, cause if they're just training the leaders out there that are gonna come out here and...
FISHER: That, that particular edition is hot off the press, though.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: My son dropped that off yesterday.
GERMAN: Okay.
FISHER: So whenever they did that stuff, I don't know when.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: I know that sheet is new.
GERMAN: Hmm.
MACK: Yeah, that's something to keep an eye out for. If you see any new complex, or even a field with a fence around it, that there's nothing there, no reason to, for a fence to be around, always check how the fence is going, you know? The fence is going up and tipped in like that, that's to keep things inside, you know. Barbed wire going in.
FISHER: And they might have your name on it.
MACK: Yeah. There you go. I mean anything can be a detention center or...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...whatever. This building could be, you know? Easily enough.
FISHER: Well, they're saying that Puget Power's building some of their fencing out with the wires...
MACK: Uh-huh.
FISHER: ...going in.
MACK: Right. Well, it wouldn't take much if you got a five acre lot, fenced around it, put two guards on it...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...and throw, heard [sic] people in there.
GERMAN: Oh, yeah.
MACK: That's all you'd need is two yards.
GERMAN: Like the Confederates used to during the war.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: They used boys.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: 'Cause they knew that, you know, there was a twelve-foot space between the fence and anywhere they were going...
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: ...and even a boy could shoot a guy all by himself there.
MACK: Hm-mmm.
CW: Where're your green tubes Marlin?
MACK: Oh yeah, green tubes of destruction. (Clicks) These are, uh, you probably know what these are. These little festive mortar balls, you buy them on the fourth. You load 'em up and you point 'em at your friends and stuff. (Laughter) These are, uh, well, at least I do. (Laughter)
O'LAIRE: Well, that's why you don't have any friends.
MACK: Yeah, I don't have much friends anymore. Um, basically, what I did, I made one of these when, years ago. I just took the P-V-C pipe and I, I just slipped that inside there and, uh, tape it all up and, uh, launched it outta there. Just to gi-, it gives you a lot more accuracy and stuff. But these things are actually pretty wicked when you launch 'em out on a horizontal, uh, flight pattern...
O'LAIRE: We used to do that with bigger rockets, the big, long steel pipe and stick 'em and...
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: (Unintelligible)
MACK: Like the big bottle rockets, yeah.
O'LAIRE: Well, bigger ones that...
MACK: Yeah.
CW: They have them, too.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: But they're pretty pricey.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: These things are fairly inexpensive, these are.
O'LAIRE: (Unintelligible) for a while at least.
MACK: Yeah, you go out to Bargain Betty's or wherever, get these, they're like, I think it's like ten or fifteen dollars for, you got twelve shots. And, uh, I don't have one made here, I just gotta go buy the other stuff, but all I did was took a couple hose clamps and a couple other, uh, small pieces of pipe, make a couple handles, and then you, you just, this comes, this is the base that comes on the bottom there. And I figured, you know, you could just take a piece of duct tape and, uh, stick it on there so it's like a hinge, and you load 'em in this way, drill a hole in the side and stick the fuse out that way. And you could cut the fuse down so you got a short fuse. So it's just light it and go. The thing that's neat about 'em is that you di-, you, it doesn't necessarily have to hurt somebody, but it just has to get their attention, you know? Yeah, and you shoot it over here and then this boom, or by a gas station, maybe the gas station will catch on fire. Who knows, you know. But, uh, they're gonna be looking over here while you're moving your little three-man guys unit over that way. Also, you, you don't have to be present for it to fire. You leave the big long fuse on there, you light it and you run around...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...and then ten seconds later, fump, goes off, so. Another thing we were doing with these little buggers is you can take, to make 'em a little bit more nasty, is just to, uh, use, uh, some type of epoxy or glue or I even use wax, and wax little B Bs to the outside of these things or, uh, paper clips, little nails, whatever. When that sucker blows up, it's just gonna spread that stuff out and, uh...
O'LAIRE: Do those blow up or?
MACK: They blow up.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah, they blow up good. I, I got caught on fire by one of these playing around. 'Cause we were launching them at each other and the burning embers, falling, burn you up.
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
MACK: And, uh, but yeah, it's, it's not really like I said a lethal thing, but, some-somebody gets...
O'LAIRE: Get somebody's car, then they gotta stop.
MACK: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
O'LAIRE: That's...
MACK: They can, they're effective. Basically, this is a homemade device that you're gonna use in order to get their good shit...
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
MACK: ...you know, so. Um, there's other modifications you can do. You can, ah, get pretty fancy with it. D-, you know, you, you oughta be real careful with this stuff. But you can, uh, drill into this and add your own stuff too, like magnesium, which gets real hot and that would spray down super hot, uh, embers on 'em. Also, you can piss on the stuff that you put on it. And that'll cause, uh, what's, what is it? When you...
FISHER: Well, it'll cause infection.
MACK: Well, not just infection, it's hepatitis.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: Hepatitis. Yeah, that's what the Vietnamese did...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...to the bungee sticks. They'd piss and shit and whatever on 'em and, and, uh, it really fucked the enemy up.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: It gets you real sick and if you got a really bad infection, you're not gonna be much of a fighter, so it just slows 'em down. So I thought we'd, uh, cache a couple of those here.
GERMAN: Sure.
MACK: We had extras. We have two of 'em made that Ed stashed somewhere.
CW: I'll never tell.
GERMAN: (Laughs)
FISHER: (Laughs)
MACK: I know.
CW: You know when Marlin first had that idea, first brought it over. Lookin' at it, it's like a grenade launcher to me.
MACK: Yeah. They go, I mean, I've, uh, like I said, I've shot these, we even got in wars with 'em when I was a kid. And boy they, they go. They launch. And like you said, I, I, I never sat and measured how far they went, but they'll, they'll go a ways. I don't know how high, they don't say how high they fly up into the air, but you launch 'em at like lob 'em in at a forty-five (laughs). Damn.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: They go pretty far. They make lots of light and big boom and they sound like, ah, a real mortar coming out of there, it's (hums).
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah, so.
O'LAIRE: Fire some of those bad boys at the helicopters...
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: ...off my roof.
MACK: Exactly. Uh. Oh, another good thing. This is something that I want you all to keep in mind next time you go to a restaurant or anything like that. Or somewhere, grab books of matches. A bar, wherever. Match heads...
GERMAN: Hmm.
MACK: ...start stockpiling match heads and you can make bombs out of that shit.
FISHER: How would we do that?
MACK: (Loud yell) Well, you know the, the, I mean just one little match creates quite a...
CW: Not back here.
MACK: ...quite a bit of energy...
CW: Yeah. Not supposed to have those back there.
MACK: Yeah. But, uh, you pack a bunch of those into a pipe or something, they'll, it'll all go boom.
O'LAIRE: Will they ex...
MACK: It'll explode. Because what, all it is is all those things are lighting and builds up pressure and the pressure has nowhere to go so it's just boom. That's, it's the same thing. I mean basically, it's like gunpowder.
O'LAIRE: So if they're packaged tight enough, then...
MACK: Yeah. It doesn't even really have to be that tight. I mean if, it'd take a lot though.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: Obviously.
O'LAIRE: (Unintelligible)
MACK: So your strike anywhere matches, things like that, cut the heads off 'em.
LIEBRANT: Yeah, they're free, too, so
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah, exactly.
O'LAIRE: You can gather lots of them. Exactly.
MACK: Especially a smoker, you can just buy boxes of that stuff.
CW: Society has ruined me. I'm into lighters.
MACK: Yeah...
GERMAN: (Laughs)
MACK: ...exactly.
GERMAN: Technology.
MACK: They're even using childproof lighters. They've conformed you.
GERMAN: Really? What are they?
FISHER: Politically correct.
CW: Just childproof lighter. My lighter's childproof.
GERMAN: Oh, really?
MACK: Yeah, all lighters are childproof now. They got the little button you have to push.
CW: Well, not just the button. The wheel's covered, like Mikey can't light my lighter. You have to push hard.
GERMAN: Huh.
MACK: Yeah, all kinds of new stuff.
O'LAIRE: Those are the best kind, I think.
MACK: Yeah. They don't mess with you.
CW: Some of 'em I just rip it off.
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
MACK: Oh, let's see. Other little things you can start hoarding are little mouse traps. These are good little trip wires. They're about as cheap as you can get. They're, I think they're like two for a dollar or something like that. We'll set this little boy (claps) across the entry way and it'll alert you to someone coming. And with a little modification, you can really get nasty and rig a shotgun shell onto one of these things and when it hits that, whack! Explosion.
CW: Don't point it at me.
GERMAN: Hmm.
MACK: I thought I had a pair of wire dikes in there. I don't, you don't have any, do you?
GERMAN: Wire dikes?
MACK: Yeah, like...
GERMAN: Wire cutters?
MACK: ...cutters, yeah.
(Locker door slams)
GERMAN: These will work, right?
MACK: No, could work. These are also a good thing to have in your pack. Just little nails...
LIEBRANT: Hm-mmm.
MACK: ...nails cutter. Oh, boy.
CW: He wants a new pair.
MACK: (Unintelligible) Perfect. This is how you do it. You got your little nail head there, you put on the primer, then you just tape it on there. And that way you rig it up to your set, I got it drilled off there. Rig that puppy up like that, you set it so when it strikes the head of the nail, shotgun shell goes boom (claps). That's about one of the easiest, cheapest slow somebody down trip wires there are. And, uh, you could probably double ought buck be the best.
GERMAN: Not gonna have a whole lotta aiming power with that.
MACK: No. But, you know, you put it on the...
GERMAN: That's why double ought buck, yeah.
MACK: ...you put it on a trail that this, this wide...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...boom, you al-, you try to take out the legs...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...because they might be wearing the Kevlar (phonetic) vest or whatever. And you take their wheels out from under 'em, they're not gonna be following you anymore, so.
GERMAN: What are these?
MACK: Those are solar, or igniters like for model rockets.
GERMAN: Hmm.
MACK: Just add electricity.
CW: Little batteries.
MACK: Who?
GERMAN: Hmm. So if you hook that up like to a battery or something?
MACK: Yeah, you see, you hook the, uh, string a wire from there to there, to there to there, and it pops flame.
GERMAN: Hmm, that's pretty neat.
MACK: You never did rockets when you were a kid? Jesus. He's in the military too, he's a military brat...
GERMAN: Yeah, my dad would always sit around with beer in his hand going, ah, after you hunt men, hunting anything else isn't any fun.
CW: Don't do it now. Go ahead do it.
GERMAN: I mean would it explode?
MACK: No, it's, it's like a match.
GERMAN: How much are they? I mean...
MACK: No, go ahead, they're, they're cheap.
(Bang)
GERMAN: Oh, shit. Don't do that to me, man.
(Laughter)
MACK: Boom! Ed always does that. He'll be working on the car or something, come up behind you, Boom! Thinks that's real fucking funny.
LIEBRANT: Yeah, get 'em moving.
CW: You should see you guys' face.
(Pause) GERMAN: I mean this won't burn me or anything, right?
MACK: No. (Unintelligible)
GERMAN: Whoa, that is wild.
MACK: Yep.
FISHER: That'll ignite a fuse...
MACK: Yeah, that'll ignite a fuse.
FISHER: ...that's sitting on the end of a pipe bomb...
MACK: That's another, yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: ...sitting down the trail another thirty, forty feet.
GERMAN: That is wild. I've never even seen something like that.
CW: You gotta show 'em how it works, Marlin.
GERMAN: Well, I mean...
CW: No, you haven't seen how that works. You just saw the, the striker's all you saw. But how we set it up .
MACK: Use it, you use that in conjunction with a mousetrap. You gotta basically have an open circuit when it's, when it's like that..
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: (Mousetraps slam shut) ...when it snaps closed, we got a thumb tack there that's got the wire wrapped around it, so then it conducts through there and it'll set off that so, which in turn you got your pipe bomb or your gasoline or whatever you're trying to ignite.
LEIBRANT: (Unintelligible)
FISHER: You can have that thing hanging up in a tree and these guys are going for the underbrush, ignite that, flaming gasoline will just be, just like napalm.
MACK: Napalm, man.
FISHER: Fall right on 'em, see.
MACK: And napalm's really easy to make too. You just get it on the Internet, cook on the stove.
FISHER: (Laughs) Oh, yeah.
O'LAIRE: How long do you have to cook it?
MACK: Don't be cooking it!
FISHER: Don't you have to, about fourteen years old (unintelligible).
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah, you don't. That's not the proper, you, you don't have to do it that way. That is a way to do it, but that's a dangerous way to do it.
FISHER: End up killing yourself.
CW: Be sure and use a gas stove.
MACK: Yeah, you want that flame. Okay, what I've got here is another...
FISHER: Homemade jade.
MACK: Homemade bo-, jobber. It, uh, mainly, it's not real, again, it's not real effective as far as killing somebody.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: It's what, the idea is this is in an urban area where there's lots of cement. 'Cause it's not gonna work if it hits the grass. Chuck this baby up in the air and the tassel makes it comes straight down. Again, I've got the, the roofing nail cut and put on there and it'll hit that ground...
GERMAN: Shotgun shell?
MACK: Shotgun shell.
GERMAN: No kidding.
MACK: And, uh, so anybody's that's like in the area, if I throw it and it lands like right here, Josh is gonna get some of it.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: There's no question. But again, it's not, it proba-, it's not gonna kill him.
GERMAN: Right, yeah, but it'll injure him. Scare the hell out of him, too.
MACK: It'll injure him, it'll make a loud bang and, again, people'll be like, what was that?
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: And you're, ah, doing your thing behind 'em. It's another, ah, diversionary tactic. And, again, it's cheap and readily available with just a few things you got at your house. Um, any old tee shirts you got, don't throw 'em away because you, we can use all the hundred percent cotton that we can get because of, uh, use 'em as bandages and, uh, they, they, stuff makes real good fuse. Cotton burns really well. And that's what you wanna use when you're making your Molotov cocktails...
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm. (Unintelligible)
MACK: Yeah. Molotov cocktail, what you wanna do is fill it about three-fourths of the way full with gas and the rest oil or some kind of grease. And what that is is it makes it sticky. So when it doesn't just burn, it burns and sticks on there so...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...you know. You wanna make sure that the fuse you stick in there is stuck in there real tight so no air can get in there. And you wanna throw, and when you throw it, you wanna lob it, like the neck of the bottle's coming up here. Lob it sideways. You don't wanna be messing holding by the neck and trying to toss it, cause it could dump all over you.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: But, yeah, you don't, with cotton, you, you, people say, oh, you need to soak it in oily rags and all this shit. With cotton, cotton just burns. It, it lights right up, so. And again, that's real cheap and everybody's got bottles around and everybody's got a can of gas in their garage, so...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...and that's what, uh, that's why I'm real leery, when you see on the news that this guy had bomb making devices in your house, cause, you know, anything could be used to make a bomb
GERMAN: Right.
FISHER: Empty wine bottles.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: The easiest pipe bomb to make is with a pop can, load it with black powder, get whatever you need as shrapnel, again, you can use rocks, little pebbles, whatever you got. You tape 'em to the outside of the can...
O'LAIRE: How 'bout nails?
MACK: Nails are excellent. Nails are the best cause, you know, they just fly all over and...
CW: stick in things.
MACK: ...stick in things, yeah. But rocks, if you, if you're in a pinch, you know, and, uh, you can even pour like, uh, B-Bs in here, buckshot, or whatever, and just mix it all in the can and light it toss it. All you do is you need, you need a fuse which, you know, these, all these, uh, Fourth of July fireworks, a lot of 'em have a good chunk of fuse on 'em. Or you can go to like, actually Yeagers has it now, cannon fuse. And you get ten feet for like three bucks or something, so. But these are things it's good to have around. It, shouldn't be really making stuff like that. I made this and I took it apart 'cause, you know, all it takes is a little shotgun shell with a nail on it and I'm a terrorist, you know. And they'll put me away, so. And, uh, I'm pretty sure Ed's wearing a wire so.
CW: A couple of pagers.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Okay, I didn't...
CW: What'd you say?
MACK: Speak up, huh? You got pumped. There's doughnuts here for everybody. I'm gonna eat one, so. That means when we start eating 'em...
GERMAN: Hmm.
MACK: You better grab 'em. (Laughs)
FISHER: Just got up from the dinner table.
CW: So did I.
GERMAN: Hm-mmm. (Pause)
CW: What are them other ones?
FISHER: Have you gotten into caching yet?
CW: Yeah, we need to get some of those buckets.
MACK: Let's talk a little bit.
FISHER: (Unintelligible)
MACK: Yeah, we, yeah, we wanted to get some of those buckets from you.
FISHER: Yeah. Yeah, no problem.
MACK: Ah, uh, that's probably the most important thing that you can do is cache a lot of this stuff, you know, come in handy later. I mean you wouldn't think about it, when you got nothing, a roll of duct tape, you could use it, you know. And something that, God, if I had that, I could do something. You know, those are the things that you need to...
FISHER: Hm-mmm.
MACK: ...put away.
FISHER: It's like electrical tape. Small roll of electrical tape.
MACK: Yep.
FISHER: One in every cache. That's one thing, when I cache, I put a little bit of everything in every cache. I don't put a whole bucket of something out there.
CW: Yeah, unless, well, we'll do that if it's cached together.
FISHER: Yeah.
CW: Don't want to put all beans in one, yeah.
FISHER: A group cache, yeah. Hm-mmm. And then I have caches in different directions, so if I got cut off from one place, I gotta go head towards Sumas, you want to have a cache up there someplace you can get to. But if you gotta go towards Acme, you wanna have something out there in case you have to cross the river or, or even a lake or anything, you're wet. You wanna change clothes. So I keep long john underwear in my caches. Everyone of 'em's got a pair of long johns in 'em.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: 'Cause I can run around in underwear.
O'LAIRE: Geez. I can't afford doing that kind of stuff.
FISHER: Go to, uh, fam-, uh.
CW: Value Village. Down in...
MACK: Down in...
FISHER: Value Village.
O'LAIRE: I can't even afford that.
FISHER: Good for a buck.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I might be able to afford that, but...
FISHER: Go down to the Salvation Army, or, uh...
MACK: It doesn't have to be fashionable. You're not gonna give a shit. (Laughs)
FISHER: No.
O'LAIRE: I don't care. Oh, I know.
FISHER: But I, I, I feel...
MACK: Get the bell, fucking bell bottoms and cache 'em, man.
FISHER: I look at it this way a pair of jeans...
CW: I'll buy those.
O'LAIRE: I don't (unintelligible).
FISHER: ...in a cache is heavy with a shirt like that, takes up a lot of room.
LIEBRANT: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: Well, I can get a pair of long johns and roll that sucker up real tight, put some tape around it, just real tight, well I, I got a vac pack machine at home. I can vac pack it so it just crunches right up. Two, three pair of socks in that.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
FISHER: Makes a nice little bundle. Throw it in the bottom of the bucket and then add stuff to it.
O'LAIRE: What do you keep with each, with each one?
FISHER: With each cache?
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: Oh, I get some ammo that fits my weapons...
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: ...and it's a common ammo that fits a lot of other people's weapon...
O'LAIRE: Right.
FISHER: ...and, uh, matches, waterproof matches, uh, clothing, at least a week's supply of food or more, uh, sometimes I'll put in, uh, um, a liter bottle of water, so I know I've got water there in case I grab that bucket and I'm stuck someplace that can't leave that bush out behind...
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: ...for two or three days. I get thirsty. 'Cause the creek might be fifty feet down there, but I can't get to it.
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: You know? So I kinda look for things like that.
CW: Waterproof lighters, too.
FISHER: If you got any extra hunting knives or anything with a good stiff blade, roll one of those in.
MACK: Yeah, I, I've put in steak knives. Any type of knife...
GERMAN: Right.
MACK: ...any type of weapon.
FISHER: Sure.
MACK: You know, if you got a knife, you can get a gun, you know.
FISHER: Yeah. Tape is really good. Electrical tape is darn good. I use that for all kinds of stuff. When I was gill netting, I used that for everything.
MACK: Yeah, that's good tape there. That's hundred mile an hour tape and you can camo things with it as well, you know.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: I got a, uh, first aid kit that was white and I just wrapped it in tape.
FISHER: That's the other thing I put in. Every cache...
MACK: There's a whole box full over there, under that banana.
CW: Why waste them all?
MACK: Don't dis my spoon.
FISHER: I got some old cotton sheets at home, we just rip 'em into strips about four inches wide and four feet long in case you need to make a sling out of it or in case you need to wrap your thigh or leg or around the body, it's big enough to do something with.
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: Then you have lots of bandages and then there's first aid cream. You know, a little bit of iodine. And iodine also goes good if you're trying to purify water. It's, just a drop of that in.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: So. You know, you kinda think of things that are versatile, you can use for two or three different things.
GERMAN: Right.
MACK: Yep. Oh, before I forget, got these, you could get these maps down at, uh, the, the, uh, what the hell, I don't know the place is called, it's at, what's that place at, uh, Lake, or Cornwell Park? It's the, uh, building there...
CW: (Unintelligible)
MACK: ...yeah, the information center deal and you get all these park maps and all the green ways trails and that's what we'll be using, are the green ways, 'cause you can move around relatively undercover...
O'LAIRE: There's a lot of 'em around (unintelligible) and then there's...
MACK: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So you can basically go from the north side of town to the south side of time without being seen, if you're careful. But, uh, those are free, so go in and grab a bunch. They got 'em for every park, Whatcom Falls, Boulevard, Aurora, Seahome Hill. That's a good area to cache, too.
O'LAIRE: Seahome Hill is big, yeah.
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Been up there a lot.
MACK: Yeah. That's a good place, it's the high ground. You can defend it. So, if you get stuck up there.
FISHER: The other good thing to have handy is some cayenne pepper.
LIEBRANT: Yeah.
FISHER: Not only will it stop bleeding, but it'll stop the dogs from coming after you.
MACK: Yeah, that's a, a big problem. That's one of their advantages is the dogs, you know. You could be quiet and hide out but they send a pack of dogs after you, you're in trouble.
FISHER: So I usually put about like four ounces of cayenne pepper in a, you know, in everything.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I need to buy some of that.
MACK: Um-hmm.
O'LAIRE: Yeah?
FISHER: I think you can go down to, um, Gresham's Supply Place, like cash and carry and buy them by bulk.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, that's the best thing to do, buy the pepper.
MACK: Oh, shit. Falling apart.
(Pause)
MACK: Pepper spray works good on dogs, too.
FISHER: Yeah, but it gets so pricey, and then you got a bigger container...
MACK: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: ...and it's a solid container.
GERMAN: Right.
FISHER: So you gotta make space for it.
MACK: Yep.
FISHER: Where cayenne pepper is just...
MACK: Well, if you're going on an operation...
FISHER: Well, yeah.
MACK: You might wanna, where there's a possibility of the dogs will be coming after you...
FISHER: Hm-mmm.
MACK: 'Cause you don't wanna...
O'LAIRE: Twelve gauge works on dogs, too.
MACK: Yeah, but you don't, that gives away your position, you know? If they're looking for you and they hear the boom! Uh, so what, they lost a dog.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, yeah.
MACK: You know?
CW: That's what started Ruby Ridge.
MACK: That's right. That's why more people at Ruby Ridge are alive is 'cause...
FISHER: You got a shotgun?
O'LAIRE: Two of 'em.
FISHER: You ever, uh, buy any incendiary ammunition for them?
O'LAIRE: Um, no, but I've got some pepper spray.
FISHER: This incendiary works damn well...
O'LAIRE: My aunt's got some of that.
FISHER: ...you can start, ah, you can start a forest fire with it, two hundred yards away from your position.
GERMAN: Is that right?
FISHER: Yeah.
GERMAN: With, with a shotgun?
FISHER: You can set a car on fire with it...
GERMAN: Oh, that's the stuff you were talking about.
MACK: Uh-huh.
FISHER: You gotta get it at the gun shows.
O'LAIRE: Well my, my aunt's got a big catalog where you can buy some in bulk and everything...
FISHER: I've never been able to order out of a catalog and get incendiary ammunition sent to me.
O'LAIRE: Oh, he's, yeah. He's got it all, you know.
FISHER: I've tried to order it but they've said, no, we can't send it.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, he's...
LIEBRANT: This one says, you know, it's got a bunch of good stuff in it.
FISHER: Hm-mmm.
LIEBRANT: (Unintelligible)
FISHER: Yeah.
LIEBRANT: You know, it's kinda spitting right in the face of them.
FISHER: Yeah. Then I got, uh, (unintelligible) darts...
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm. Yeah, I gotta modify some, you know.
FISHER: 'Cause those darts, they will penetrate a bullet-proof vest.
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm. Yeah, see.
FISHER: A double ought buck won't.
O'LAIRE: Oh, I know it.
FISHER: But the dart will because it cuts through.
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
MACK: I don't know if it'll go through those new Kevlar ones, but it goes through the flak vests they used to wear in Vietnam.
FISHER: Yeah. What I do, I stag, I stagger my ammo. I, I got eight shots. Uh, it's a police riot gun. Automatic, semi-automatic.
MACK: Never knew you could have so much with a fifty cent piece of...
GERMAN: I know.
FISHER: Remmington one hundred.
O'LAIRE: Well, I've got an old model twelve Winchester. I bought it for five hundred.
FISHER: Yeah. So what I do is I just lay my shells out and stagger 'em, then I load it accordingly whatever I want to come out.
O'LAIRE: I always just keep the ones in my belt and just color code 'em.
FISHER: Yeah. I got a bandolier and that's the way I got 'em too.
O'LAIRE: It holds about twenty-five rounds.
FISHER: Yeah. I got triple ought buck, double ought buck, incendiaries, darts...
O'LAIRE: All I got is double ought buck and bird shot and then (unintelligible) slugs or...I got, I wanted to get some of that incendiary.
GERMAN: Is that door shut?
FISHER: Excellent.
MACK: I don't know.
FISHER: That stuff is good.
CW: Stay put.
MACK: It sounded like it was coming from next door.
LIEBRANT: I heard a noise.
GERMAN: Hm-mmm.
MACK: Yeah, I've seen those incendiaries in, uh, Shotgun News but I don't know if you can order 'em out of there. Shotgun News, you, I've been told you can order everything but guns outta there.
GERMAN: Hmm.
MACK: And they have couple things, there's this slug that I wanna go, it's called the roadblock and it'll go through engine blocks and stuff.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: Which is some bad-assed armor piercing shit.
O'LAIRE: You know, I got a lot of zinc, too.
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Big plates of it I get off boats and I got copper in mine. I got four huge chunks of lead.
FISHER: What happened to all that lead we brought up for the Minutemen?
MACK: I don't know.
FISHER: John's garage last time.
CW: Yeah, uh-huh.
MACK: Yeah. Probably still there. And he probably went down to the recycling place and bought. (Laughs)
GERMAN: Yeah.
CW: Five gallon bucket's clear full.
MACK: Yeah, I know.
CW: Yeah. Diewee's got it.
FISHER: Oh, yeah.
MACK: Fucking faggot.
GERMAN: I guess he told Brian that, uh, he's coming back on the first, huh?
CW: On the first.
MACK: Yeah, that's what, uh, I heard. That's what he told you too. Right?
CW: Yeah, 'cause me and Gary went up, yeah. I'll be back on the first, keep things going, men. Yeah, right. So sorry, Jack.
MACK: Yeah, we're gonna try to get some of that stuff to, reloading equipment.
CW: (Unintelligible)
MACK: You have some? Go ahead. You know how to reload and stuff?
FISHER: Pretty good crap you got there.
CW: Yeah, real good, I mean.
LEIBRANT: He almost found out how good it was.
CW: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah, really.
MACK: You grab it all at your house or is it at your dad's or, or what? At my dad's in town. All for shotguns and rifles and pistols.
CW: That would hurt. It would.
GERMAN: Yeah.
CW: Don't you think? I need to buy that stuff from Dan (unintelligible).
LIEBRANT: Yep. Effective on yourself.
CW: That work?
MACK: (Unintelligible)
LIEBRANT: No, just where they...
O'LAIRE: Tell Dan I want to but [sic] that nine m-m. He has (unintelligible) and (unintelligible) and primers. And everything he's got all in bulk.
MACK: We got a couple guys who reload, but the more we get, you know, it's kind of a, it's kind of hard for one person to give 'em an order. You need to reload two thousand rounds for me?
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: Oh, God, we had this one guy who just reloading left and right, didn't have no time to even sleep.
MACK: Yep. So we can kind of...
O'LAIRE: God, we want some, have some...
MACK: Kind of pass it around, to rotate to where...
O'LAIRE: ...(unintelligible) and stuff for me and then I'll just get, um, pay for the shot and powder and make you lots, and only, I gotta get something out of it.
MACK: Uh-huh.
O'LAIRE: That would work good.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: That sounds good.
O'LAIRE: 'Cause I've got about five bags of twelve gauge shells. There's bags of them all loaded and all ready.
MACK: (Laughs) Five bags of shotgun shells?
FISHER: With what?
O'LAIRE: Just, you mostly number eight.
FISHER: Number eight?
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
FISHER: That's pretty fine stuff.
O'LAIRE: I used them for bird hunting.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah, we're into the manhunter bullets.
FISHER: Yeah. Well, I didn't even know they made triple ought buck.
GERMAN: Hmm.
MACK: I know. I bought a couple boxes of that the other day for mine.
FISHER: Yeah. Yeah, there's nine B-Bs in it, where double ought there's twelve.
GERMAN: Yeah. Huh, big ones, huh7
FISHER: I didn't even know it.
MACK: Oh, yeah, that's like getting hit by like nine, eight or nine, nine millimeters (laughs).
FISHER: Yeah.
GERMAN: Wow.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Good stuff.
GERMAN: Yeah, no kidding.
FISHER: Well, if you had a few of them mousetraps lined up on a trail somewhere, lined up with...
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: ...that triple ought buck, man...
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: ...you could slow a lot of people down.
MACK: That's the thing with these, too. I didn't mention is that you can, uh, get a little piece of pipe or something to direct the blast more.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: You know, and, uh.
LEIBRANT: Did you ever try those things?
MACK: What's that?
LEIBRANT: Did you read that in a book or something?
MACK: What the, what's that? Those things? No, I was taught how to do those.
LEIBRANT: Where?
MACK: Where?
CW: Need to know. (Laughter)
MACK: Why?
LEIBRANT: I don't know. Seems that...
MACK: Dangerous?
LIEBRANT: ...the other part would probably go out the other way if you shot it with this.
MACK: What's that?
LEIBRANT: The shot's heavier than the case.
MACK: Uh-huh.
O'LAIRE: The case is going to fly. That's the way they go when you stick them in a fire. These cases flying all over.
MACK: Uh-huh.
CW: So what are you trying to tell us?
O'LAIRE: Well, you might have a case flying around, not the shot.
GERMAN: Hmm.
CW: It's more to scare.
O'LAIRE: Oh, yeah, I, I understand. That's the best thing, they're good for, throwing 'em up in the air, that's the best one, I think.
CW: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: And, uh, tripping over the, um, the trip wires are good.
GERMAN: Yeah. Plus maybe and if people are coming after you up the trail and all of a sudden one of these goes off.
MACK: Oh, definitely. They're gonna, they're gonna stop.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah, definitely gonna stop.
MACK: They're not gonna continue on. They're gonna, and, they're gonna bring in the mine detector guys and they're gonna go real slow. And you're gonna be hauling balls, 'cause you know....
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: ...the area.
GERMAN: Till you hit one of your own. (Laughs)
MACK: Yeah. (Laughs)
FISHER: They've got these, these real thin, uh, uh, tent stakes made out of wire. They're real, do really good to hold those babies in place...
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: ...when they're snapped on to the trap.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: They hold real well.
LIEBRANT: (Unintelligible) running across a trip wire and, and start glowing in the dark. What are you gonna do, take a bath?
FISHER: What?
LIEBRANT: They got something. The union makes these things they call rotten eggs.
MACK: Huh.
GERMAN: You got stuff like this?
LIEBRANT: No.
GERMAN: Oh.
LIEBRANT: But I, I was just reading it.
GERMAN: Yeah.
LIEBRANT: (Unintelligible)
GERMAN: Yeah, I heard about that kinda stuff.
MACK: We got those trip wires up there, too, that snap the light, you know, turn on those...
CW: Have you seen those things?
MACK: ...the glow light things. They're in those boxes over by the canteen.
CW: Hm-mmm.
MACK: You can grab one out if you want.
FISHER: On the right?
GERMAN: Yeah, right over the canteens there.
MACK: Kind of a neat little thing.
FISHER: Oh, yeah.
MACK: Good for playing games.
MACK: You trip the wire and it lights one of those cambium [sic] sticks.
FISHER: Whole bunch of goodies in here. Yes. Huh.
GERMAN: See we got in that, uh...
GERMAN: That's pretty sophisticated.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: ...in, in that milk, uh...
MACK: It's pretty pricey. I wouldn't buy them.
FISHER: Yeah, I wouldn't buy them either. No, I like the mousetraps better.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: ...in the milk jug things. They have the light sticks and some of 'em are infrared...
FISHER: Hm-mmm.
GERMAN: ...so that, uh...
MACK: Can't see 'em unless you have the...
GERMAN: ...they wouldn't even know what they'd done. You know? I mean it would be just like regular black to them, but if you had those night vision goggles...
FISHER: Hm-mmm.
GERMAN: ...it'd be like daylight to you.
FISHER: Yeah.
GERMAN: You know, it's like putting a light above their head.
O'LAIRE: Oh. What does any, can you guys get binoculars? High powered ones for a better price than the stores?
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I wanna get real good ones.
GERMAN: We have some.
MACK: Yeah, where are those at?
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Are they gone?
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: And those ones with the red on that we were looking at, like, uh, it was, uh, eagle eyes or whatever. It had the ruby on the lenses...
MACK: Uh-huh.
O'LAIRE: ...so they were tinted.
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: I wanted to get one like that.
GERMAN: Yeah, those are nice.
O'LAIRE: If you can, if you run across some of those then I'll buy 'em. How much are those for you guys?
GERMAN: Uh.
CW: Two hundred and fifty bucks.
GERMAN: Yeah, you can get a lot of money for those, but, uh, I'll go see if I can, what I'll do is grab one for the cell and keep it here.
MACK: With the Fourth of July rapidly approaching, I thought we could make some of this stuff and go blow it off. You know, the day before or something.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, we can (clears throat) have lots of fun with those.
MACK: Yeah. Yeah. Another thing you should save are your, your medicine bottles, you know, like with -the child proof lid on there. You could, ah, load those up with black powder, too, and just wrap 'em with tape and those suckers go boom, too.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: And again, you know, just throw away some of B-Bs or whatever and just throw shit everywhere.
O'LAIRE: The Four F is the only stuff to use, right?
MACK: Yeah, that's, that's, I've been told that's the safest and that's what we played around with when we did all the stuff, so I'm, uh, pretty fond of all my fingers and stuff, so I, uh...
O'LAIRE: Uh-huh.
MACK: ...I just gonna stick with the basics. I'm not into this mixing chemicals and getting, you know.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: 'Cause if I've seen, I've seen guys that...
O'LAIRE: Hey, Ed.
MACK: ...yeah, well, yeah. I've seen guys that, without fingers. I've seen guys that have had their whole arm burned, going, yeah, see, this is what happens when you fuck around.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: So it's like I don't want it.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: I just assume gun powder's ruddily, readily available and it's cheap, so
O'LAIRE: How much is it for, uh
MACK: A pound, a pound of, uh, powder, which can make quite a few bombs is ten bucks.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: So we were probably thinking of storing some of it just to have.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, well whatever.
MACK: This is kind of a nice place 'cause, you know, it's, it's, uh, you don't have all this shit at your house.
O'LAIRE: (Unintelligible)
MACK: You know, you can just disassociate yourself...
CW: With him.
MACK: ...with Kevin and say....
GERMAN: Yeah, really.
MACK: ...it's all him, man. Look at the fucking flags and...
FISHER: Kevin who?
GERMAN: Yeah, exactly. There you go.
FISHER: Oh, you mean that Aryan Nations guy?
(Laughter)
FISHER: That right wing Christian radical.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: You know, you know that gal down there, that, uh, we did that, that, um, shum-, or, did her fireplace for her out there?
FISHER: Hm-mmm, on Gooseberry Point?
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: She was telling us about the guy next door. He was always burning plastic and shit, you know, in his fireplace, 'cause we were talking about how, you know, she was saying, oh, I haven't had my fireplace cleaned and I thought Fred was gonna lecture me and all this and that. She was a funny lady. But she was saying the next door neighbor's always burning garbage stuff. Ah, he's a white supremist anyway. He's gonna be one of these people that you hear about holdups. I was gonna go over, say hey, how's it going? (Laughing)
GERMAN: Yeah, really.
FISHER: Hey, buddy. How you doing? Huh?
MACK: 'Cause he might not be, you know. It's hard to say.
FISHER: Oh, yeah.
MACK: If you start talking politics and, you know, as soon as you say the right word, the wrong word, oh, you, you're a racist Aryan. Yeah. You're one of those crazies I saw on the news. I don't wanna...
O'LAIRE: Went to a drug store last week and there was this book that said something, I don't remember the name of it, but it had this guy with a ski mask on, so I just grabbed it and I started reading it and...
MACK: Terrorist.
O'LAIRE: ...they were saying how everybody in the militia, showing all these pictures of people in the militia, that they're all terrorists and showed pictures of little, um, with kids shooting and stuff, teaching their kids how to shoot.
FISHER: I think everybody should teach their kids to shoot.
MACK: Exactly.
O'LAIRE: They were saying how some people in the militia, they're far and few between but, um, aren't Aryans and they don't believe in, um.
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: They're not racist and they don't wanna just take over America, but their leaders are like that, so I...
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: ...told 'em to just get rid of 'em all and...
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: ...it was a best seller and everything.
MACK: Oh, yeah.
FISHER: Gotta cleanse America.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Get rid of them buggers.
MACK: Well, I tell you what, we are the last stumbling block between their way of li-, government and our way of government, so.
FISHER: Yeah, the last nation.
MACK: Right.
FISHER: (Unintelligible)
MACK: Yeah, I mean if we fall, who's, you know, there's no place to go. This is it. You know, you can't run to another country thinking it's gonna be better.
FISHER: Try going to China and see what happens.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: They'll run over you with a tank.
GERMAN: Yep.
MACK: Yeah. So, uh, yeah, we're, we're the last hope, really. Which is scary if you think about it. (Laughter)
CW: We're done.
MACK: Yeah, we're done.
FISHER: And like we said, you know.
MACK: Stick a fork in us.
FISHER: You know how we got all these Ukraines in here.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: They said we got three hundred thousand last year. They're gonna bring in another two hundred thousand in this year.
MACK: Uh-huh.
FISHER: Between Washington and Idaho. The Russians. From Ukraine, and...
O'LAIRE: I know some of 'em.
FISHER: Yeah. Anyway, they say that that group of people are moles brought here by the New World Order to rise up against the population.
GERMAN: Right. Yeah, they gotta bring up foreign forces.
MACK: Well, the way I look at it...
O'LAIRE: There will be a spot.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: The way I look at that though is, you know, these people, you know, they, they start coming in here, and they're just gonna be, they, they, this is total freedom to them.
FISHER: Paradise.
MACK: This is paradise, you know, and, uh, you know. They don't see anything wrong like how we see things that are wrong, so they're just...
GERMAN: Right.
MACK: ...you know, they're gonna go with the flow.
GERMAN: Yep.
MACK: And, you know, people are gonna follow their lead is what I think they're, one of the reasons.
GERMAN: Plus they're used to being told...
LIEBRANT: So the next Russian...
GERMAN: ...what to do.
LIEBRANT: ...that comes to your house, shoot 'em, Ed.
MACK: That's right.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: Ed's got, Ed is a...
FISHER: Or if you know where he lives, you can go to his house and shoot him there.
MACK: Yeah. Ed's got Mexicans and Russians and, you know.
CW: And I'm a prejudiced son of a bitch.
MACK: He is. He...
FISHER: (Laughs) You keep it well hidden behind that beard, though.
MACK: He's got a fucking sweatshop there, in the garage. Sweatshop in the garage.
(Laughter and clapping)
FISHER: I like it (laughing). Yeah, you kids.
CW: Oh, geez.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: Oh, yeah. The one, the one thing I was gonna tell you that I don't have is the sparklers. And that is real impressive. We could, Ed and I were in awe cause we couldn't believe we tried it and it didn't work for us. We were told how to do it. We saw the guy do it. The fucker went off like a bomb. I mean.
CW: Who tried it? I never tried it.
MACK: When, yeah, we were out at, down at the river. Yeah. Out in...
CW: John tried it. I didn't.
MACK: Yeah, yeah. Well we, you saw it.
CW: Well, yeah. I saw...
MACK: You saw him put it together.
CW: Yeah.
MACK: So you know it works.
GERMAN: Hm-mmm.
CW: Oh, yeah.
MACK: But, um, you take, you take eight sparklers. You can take more. He said between eight and thirty. And the reason is is if you do more than thirty, you're just not getting more bang for your buck. You're just, it's just, you can only make it so big and it just, it just doesn't get much more, uh, you know, but, uh, you tape these suckers together and you, ah, you can cut the, uh, extra wire off. You wrap that sucker with this stuff, strapping tape. It's real strong. It's got the fibers in it. You wrap that sucker up and you use probably a full roll. Probably make three of these things. So that's how. You wrap the hell outta them. You make them into a big thick, like a cigar. And, uh, he did that, and wrapped 'em up. He left one sticking out a little ways and that was his fuse, uh, and, uh, then he, uh, did a couple wraps, just like two or three wraps with the, um, electrical tape, just for, said added, added stuff and, uh, basically, again, you're just trying to get it airtight, so when that catches on fire, builds up pressure and just has nowhere to go, so it's just, kaboom, blows up. I tried this, three different ones I tried, and, ah, I, the, the biggest, ah, one went, whssh, cause all the air escaped.
O'LAIRE: Uh-huh.
MACK: I didn't have it wrapped tight enough. And I wasn't using near as much tape as he was. I was wrapping, you know, he said wrap it tight, so I wrapped, you know, three wraps and, hey, that's pretty tight, light it.
O'LAIRE: Duct tape work okay?
MACK: Um, he just, he swears by this.
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
MACK: Said duct tape doesn't, doesn't have the, it, it has too much give. You see. It doesn't, doesn't let, allow it to build up the pressure like this. This just makes it, keeps it so tight, and that's what you're, you need it super tight. It did. I mean, it (laughs)
CW: It direct dialed, remember that, down the river?
MACK: Oh, yeah, it, it...
CW: I was like, oh, man. Comet.
MACK: If you were, if you were sitting, if you were sitting there and I lit one off over here, you'd probably get stuck with a lot of metal. I mean that thing was just...
O'LAIRE: All those wires, too.
MACK: Yeah, all those hot wires.
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Oh, shit, yeah. I'm gonna have to buy some of those.
MACK: Yeah, well, now, the key is that they, they say that, ah...
FISHER: There's a certain kind to buy.
MACK: ...the red T-N-T...
O'LAIRE: Red T-N-T?
MACK: ...T-N-T sparklers, red. For some reason, I don't, they don't know why, the red seems to work better. He said the other colors have worked, but red always seems to work and, ah, it's just better. And, again, if we can try this out and take them out and blow 'em off when the Fourth draws near, won't get a, hopefully won't get a bunch of slack, you know. We'll go out to the res or out to the range.
FISHER: Go out to the range.
MACK: Yeah. Toss them out there. But, yeah, I, I was most impressed. This sucker was loud. It's louder than a shotgun.
GERMAN: No kidding?
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah, you wanna be behind something when it's...
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: Those little wires are about that long. But it's just like sticking a goddamned needle through you. They'll go right clean through you.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
CW: Yeah, but it'll fucking, uh, what do they call it? cauterize you.
O'LAIRE: Cauterize it.
CW: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: It won't heal. It's got that magnesium or whatever the hell...
FISHER: Yeah, it'll be an open sore...
MACK: ...sulphur and all that crap.
FISHER: ..forever.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Wow.
MACK: So...
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah. It was amazing. I, I couldn't believe it. I was just...
CW: How far do you think that thing went? That red glow?
MACK: That red plug...
CW: How far do you think?
MACK: ...probably at least thirty feet. At least thirty feet.
CW: No, it was more than thirty feet, 'cause it went up to that curve at John's.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: Couldn't...
O'LAIRE: It went after somebody?
CW: Huh?
MACK: No, we were...
CW: It chased somebody. It was a homing... (Laughs)
CW: No, we were, how far, how far away do you think we were from those things? When we lit those...
MACK: Fifty feet.
FISHER: How far away were we from 'em?
CW: Yeah.
FISHER: We musta been probably eighty, ninety feet away.
CW: That's what I thought.
FISHER: And they went over the bank.
CW: Over the bank.
FISHER: Yeah.
CW: That thing went further than that.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: See, my property is eighty feet wide.
CW: Uh-huh.
FISHER: We was further than that away from them.
MACK: Yeah . Across my lot. Yeah, it was, it was impressive.
FISHER: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: For fucking sparklers. Fifty cents a box or something like that, you know. And a box will make like one or two of 'em. And it depends on how big you wanna make it again, you know.
GERMAN: Right.
MACK: Eight was pretty loud and I think the biggest one he did was like twenty. So, yeah, it was something else. And you can use, again, the cannon fuse instead. You don't have to have one sticking out if you got the cannon fuse.
GERMAN: Or even the...
MACK: Yeah. But, uh (laughs), it was something else though. I didn't ge-, I w-, I went out to the Indian reservation and got that and I totally spaced gettin' those. So I'll get a big box of 'em. I want all your red T-N-T sparklers. (Laughter)
MACK: I, last time I went out to buy some, Fred and I went out to buy some, and the first thing the guy said, oh, you making a sparkler bomb? (Laughter)
GERMAN: No kidding.
MACK: Oh, yeah. They, a lot of people know about it.
FISHER: Oh, yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Geez.
FISHER: Oh, I'd just love to walk by that police station and toss it over their little wall.
GERMAN: Oh, yeah.
MACK: Oh.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: You know, stir up their emotions a little bit.
CW: What, you're talking about, ah, underneath the jail?
FISHER: No, I'm talking about that new police station. They got that wall, that patio wall around it.
CW: I never noticed that.
FISHER: Really? Oh, yeah.
CW: The Bellingham Police Department?
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: The new one.
FISHER: The police station.
O'LAIRE: (Unintelligible) last night with my binoculars.
FISHER: Yeah, they got a, a wall up so high. All around the patio area, so they can go out there and sit and have coffee so nobody could, you know...
O'LAIRE: Throw a bomb at them.
MACK: No one can fucking throw a plarker [sic] bomb at them. (Laughter)
FISHER: ...chuck a grenade over the wall.
MACK: But little do they know.
CW: But what did Bellingham ever do to you?
FISHER: Well, maybe it was a couple things they didn't do.
CW: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: It'd be easier.
MACK: That...
O'LAIRE: Anybody want to play paintball this weekend?
MACK: Wanna play paintball?
CW: No.
FISHER: No.
CW: Not me.
MACK: You gonna go play paintball?
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I'm gonna go this weekend sometime.
FISHER: I got a coupon for that.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: I haven't used it.
MACK: I saw one in the paper. Where, where'd you get it?
FISHER: Oh, that little coupon pamphlet thing.
MACK: That will, did you see that?
CW: That little blue book that you get in the mail?
FISHER: Hm-mmm.
CW: I must have one, too, so.
MACK: I don't think it was as cheap as he quoted us, though.
CW: No. And you're going to Carl?
MACK: Hmm?
CW: Carl?
MACK: Whoever owns that paintball place.
O'LAIRE: Semper Fi or...
CW: Semper Fi, yeah. That's Carl.
O'LAIRE: How much is it, do you know?
CW: Twenty bucks.
O'LAIRE: Twenty bucks?
MACK: That's for us, though.
O'LAIRE: Hmm. How much is it for normal people?
CW: Probably fifty bucks.
O'LAIRE: Fifty bucks?
GERMAN: What would he have to do, just show 'em a patch?
MACK: Huh?
GERMAN: What do he have to do, just show 'em a patch?
MACK: Well, we'd have to go with, uh...
CW: No, me and Marlin. I would call and say Marlin is coming down.
MACK: But, yeah, we'll do that one these days.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I wanna get to that, that and get my paintgun, or do you want to sell yours, Ed?
CW: Nope. No. Not for sale.
MACK: What?
O'LAIRE: I'll trade you that. No, I guess it's not for sale. (Chuckles)
CW: You can buy 'em in his place for fifty bucks.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: You have a paintball gun?
O'LAIRE: I don't wanna, I don't wanna get a splatmaster.
CW: (Unintelligible) gun (unintelligible).
O'LAIRE: I want to get a good one.
CW: You can get a good one in there. People buy 'em and upgrade...
O'LAIRE: Yeah?
CW: ...and they're used, but they're fine. (Unintelligible)
MACK: I wouldn't spend my money on a fucking paintball gun game. 'Cause you each can go a round, playing for twenty bucks.
FISHER: I'd get some more ammo.
MACK: And you have...
O'LAIRE: For another thirty, you can have a gun. That's the way I look at it, I mean.
MACK: I'd rather buy a real gun.
O'LAIRE: I've got enough real guns.
MACK: So we got, what do we got going this weekend, anything?
CW: I think I'm gonna take off this weekend.
MACK: Oh, are you? When's, uh, what's her face taking off to watch that house?
CW: I'll call Denny and ask, if you wanna go out there.
MACK: 'Cause I'd like to go out there.
CW: Well, I was thinking we'll set it up for Fourth of July, though, if you wanna go out there.
MACK: Huh?
CW: We'll set it up for Fourth of July.
MACK: Is that this weekend or what?
CW: No, it's next Thursday.
MACK: So...
CW: I think it's next Thursday. Isn't it?
O'LAIRE: Yeah, it is.
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Wednesday's my last day of work.
MACK: Today is Wednesday. Where do you work?
CW: Your last day at work?
O'LAIRE: Well, I mean, for the week. We always, we get all of our holidays, it's real good, 'cause everyone's like, don't work Thursday or Friday, take off (unintelligible).
MACK: Wow, my boss just fucking makes me work every fucking day.
O'LAIRE: (Unintelligible)
GERMAN: There you go.
FISHER: Well, if I let him get one day off, one day, it gets so goddamned lazy.
GERMAN: Exactly.
FISHER: He can't get back on his feet again.
GERMAN: Exactly.
FISHER: Takes till Wednesday to get remotivated.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: And he works Thursday, wants off Friday, so you got, what, one day a week?
GERMAN: Yeah, exactly.
FISHER: To get any, to get any work out of him?
O'LAIRE: No.
CW: We're just teasing you, Marlin.
MACK: Yeah, I want my next paycheck in gold. (Laughter)
FISHER: No problem.
MACK: Fuck this paper trail shit. We were talking about that, who was, Brian was saying about this new retinal scan thing that the cops have, wanna do and all this shit. I'm just like, we were talking, it's like, fuck, you know. When this stuff starts to happen, we're just gonna, we're, we're dropping out. I mean we're dropping out of society. And that, and that, and that's how they're gonna call us terrorists.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Because we're not even gonna be citizens. If you don't take this bank card and this driver's license and do this and jump through all these hoops.
O'LAIRE: Fuck it. I ain't gonna do that.
MACK: I ain't gonna do that shit, either. That's like making a pact with the devil as far as I'm concerned.
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I...
GERMAN: So, it'll be interesting to see how things start to develop.
FISHER: Oh, your new Mastercards are all coming out with digitalized pictures.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: With computer chips in 'em and everything.
MACK: Yeah, Gary and I talked to...
FISHER: Your thumbprint.
MACK: Gary and I talked to these guys, one was from Arizona and one's from Texas and they both whipped out their licenses, digitalized faces...
FISHER: Oh, yeah.
MACK: ...with the magnetic strip on the back...
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: ...and the guy said he's run it through the computer. It's got everything in his whole...
FISHER: Everything, yep.
MACK: ...his, uh, military
FISHER: It knows you had a mole removed on your knee.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: His whole military record.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: Everything about him. It was, I was just like, how can you have that? He was like, hey, I didn't know about this stuff until a month ago when the, I started getting involved with these guys.
LEIBRANT: Well, Wayne's, uh, military ID card's the same way.
GERMAN: No kidding.
FISHER: And he just went down and got a new card from, um, Costco because he lost his, they took a digitalized picture to put on his card.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: No kidding.
FISHER: Yeah, with, ah, with the strip on it, yeah.
MACK: Yeah, they got the cameras now.
FISHER: Oh, yeah.
MACK: The new cameras don't even have film in 'em.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: They got a microchip.
FISHER: That's right, yeah.
MACK: So...
FISHER: Hook you up to the computer and they just take your picture. It all comes out on this card.
MACK: Yep. Solid computerized.
FISHER: Oh, yeah. That's what all the new items...
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: ...are gonna be...
MACK: And that's the whole thing with all these, all these surveillance monitors, all the satellites, all this shit. It's not tapes, it's just a chip...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...that they can store how many thousands of hours...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...worth of footage on here, and they're gonna go, okay. Well, Kevin was here today. Well let's look in the file, and they'll be able to track you if they...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...if they so desire. Obviously, they don't have time to watch everybody.
GERMAN: Right.
MACK: But if they get you on something...
GERMAN: But if it's in the computer.
MACK: ...they'll just, you know...
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: ...there's that white van. What the hell's it doing over here, Kevin? (Laughs)
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: By that Arm-Army and ammo depot, huh?
MACK: (Laughs)
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: What's it doing over there?
MACK: Yeah. Well, here's you walking into the hardware store buying fifty feet of cannon fuse. (Laughter)
MACK: What did you need that for? Is that coincidental that the same day ammonium nitrate disappeared from Symex? [sic -- CENEX farm supply]
FISHER: Oh, yeah.
MACK: Yeah. They are, they're gonna start, uh...
O'LAIRE: Think it'll get to that point?
CW: Oh, yeah.
FISHER: Oh, yeah.
MACK: They'll, they're, you're gonna start having to everything.
O'LAIRE: It'll get to that point, but you think that's when we'll head out or...
MACK: Well, I don't know. We, at this point in time, we, we discussed this, and if any of our members get hit, we, that's it. We're done. We're gonna take off. 'Cause, you know, it's just a matter of time before it's you and then if they take us out one at a time, that, the, there's just, that's stupid. We're gonna head, head for the hills and figure out what all we're gonna do. But you gotta get out of your house. That's the first thing.
FISHER: That's when you. . .
MACK: You're in your house, you're screwed.
LEIBRANT: Well, I'm bringing, I'm getting a rope rigged up 'cause I only got one stairway and it's the only way to get out and I'm bringing up the rope so I can jump outta my window.
MACK: (Laughs)
FISHER: Right. Bungee cord.
MACK AND FISHER: Whoa !
(Laughter)
MACK: He's gonna be shooting with one hand, with a bungee cord on his ankle going, ahh!
GERMAN: Yeah.
(Laughter)
MACK: He dies harder than Bruce Willis.
CW: Watch the chairs, man. We don' t have that many.
O'LAIRE: Oh, I...
CW: There's some fat people sit in that chair. If they did that or Marlin would break it.
O'LAIRE: I never broke a chair at all .
CW: I didn't say you, but it will break.
MACK: Did your teacher ever tell you stop leaning back in your chair.
FISHER: That's why you need Your, ah...
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I always heard of it broken, but I never broke any and so...
FISHER: That's where you need your personal caches, though, 'cause if we would take off two weeks from now, who'd be ready?
O'LAIRE: I would be. You know, kinda.
MACK: (Laughs) You'll never be a hundred percent ready.
FISHER: No, that's right. Never. I've got...
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: ...quite a few caches...
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: ...out there, but I'm not ready, really.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: You're not ready.
CW: Who's got cigarettes?
FISHER: I could use a lot more cache.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Sure.
MACK: When you go out, I mean, you gotta figure, we're gonna be, it's gonna be down and dirty for couple years at least.
GERMAN: That sucks.
MACK: I know. It sucks. It would d-, but that's the way you have to look at it. You can't look at it like it's gonna be some glorious fucking, shoot 'em dead, we killed the bad guys, we come back to work the next day. (Laughs) You know, we're gonna be living in the shit. You're gonna be living in shit.
FISHER: I think I'll go down to the Noosack River and catch my trout for breakfast.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: I mean...
FISHER: Don't work that way.
O'LAIRE: What's gonna happen to our, um, the people that, um, don't agree with us and call us terrorists for the first month? I mean, of course , I mean, nothing is really going to happen to them, but at least for a year or so, I mean.
MACK: I was watching the show. I think it was last night or the night before, God, my boss works me so hard, I just never know where I am (laughs).
GERMAN: Hmm.
MACK: But I was watching the news and some, and some Croatian or Bosnian guy or something, he was right this...
FISHER: He's, he's, he's downhill, down the hill.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: All the fucking blood runs to his head.
MACK: He was, ah, he was like leader of this rebel force. He was like some a-, before the war started, he was like a organized crime, like a Mafia type in Serbia...
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: ...or something like that and, uh, he started the resistance and fought for the Muslims, or whatever side, I can't remember, but it, it started off, you know, people were walking down the street and terrorist shit go, you know, bullets are flying and then it dies down and then it flares up and, I mean, that's what they, he was saying that it could happen in America. And I, and it could. It's, uh...
O'LAIRE: Probably will.
MACK: Exactly.
FISHER: It will.
O'LAIRE: The way things are going.
FISHER: Yeah, it will, if we let it.
MACK: But, you know, they got, you know, people in the woods and people in the city and they're launching shit at each other and...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: ...there are people are just running around in the middle of it. I mean, you know. And that's what's called friendly fire. When innocents die, then you can't be helped.
FISHER: You got a gas, you got a gas mask, yet?
O'LAIRE: That's what I'm, I'm getting.
FISHER: It's really, really good to have a gas mask.
MACK: Yeah, that's...
FISHER: Yeah, they'll fucking gas you sure as shit.
O'LAIRE: Oh, yeah.
MACK: Yeah, that's the easiest way for 'em to eliminate you.
O'LAIRE: Yeah. Well, they've got magnetic beams that they can shoot you up in the woods and knock you out and then, and then they grab you and stick you in a prison camp, too.
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: How are we gonna fight against that type of stuff?
FISHER: And then lasers. They got lasers that fuck up your mind.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah, they got all kinds of shit. And you can, all you can do is what y-, you know, you can, you can't worry about that.
O'LAIRE: Well we got sixteen million, though, don't we, so...
MACK: Well, that's just Whatcom County, shit.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: Nationwide, (laughing) nationwide, we probably got seven hundred million.
O'LAIRE: Hmm. 'Cause people...
CW: We've handed out that many patches, haven' t we?
MACK: I handed out seven million last week.
FISHER: You didn't tell me about that, John. (Laughter)
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: They guy that works asked me how people were in it. 'Cause he's kinda, kinda interested, but he doesn't wanna, you know, let me know he's interested.
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: He's asking me questions. I said, oh, 'bout fifty or sixty million people in this country, and he's, oh, really?
(Laughter)
MACK: Well, actually, you know, when people ask you, you know, how many people are in the militia. You say, well, you're in the militia.
O'LAIRE: Well, I told him that a few times, but I don't like to tell him that 'cause I like to tell him that there's all these guys like you, dressed up in camo and ready for war.
MACK: At any moment, man.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, just sixty thousand strong and we're just going to have a, I don't know. He's just, just all worried about it.
MACK: God, you really offend me, you know. I come down here and you don't drink my coffee just because your bitch isn't here to pour you your coffee and...
CW: That's right.
MACK: ...fix it for you.
CW: Doesn't taste the same.
GERMAN: Oh, man.
MACK: What a puss. Can't believe it. Is there anything else you can think of on these things? I know I don't have everything here. I've been...
CW: What's that for?
MACK: That is for like a model for a pipe bomb.
CW: Toilet paper?
MACK: Yeah.
LEIBRANT: Does it have any brown spots?
MACK: I cached the toilet paper, so that...
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: But, no, I was just...
GERMAN: Everything but the tube.
MACK: This, ah, si-simulates a pipe bomb.
LEIBRANT: You got a lot of nerve. Aren't you embarrassed.
MACK: But see, this is, this is one of the safer ways to actually make one. 'Cause when you're dealing with it like this, basically it's a firecracker. And, you know, if it blows up, it might burn ya. It might hurt ya, but it's not gonna throw metal through your skull, so. But yeah, you get it like that, and you can pour your powder in, stick your fuse in there, stick some cotton in there. Tape up the other end and then you slip it inside a metal sleeve.
O'LAIRE: That's a good way to do it.
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Just slip it in a pipe .
MACK: That's the safest, that's the safest way to do it. Now there's no, there's no safe way to make these, you know. I mean it's safer, you're taking less chances, but, you know, static, you rub your hands through your hair and you could set it off with static electricity, you know. It, there's all kinds of scary shit.
O'LAIRE: That's scary right there.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Working, working on a wool rug and you, you rub your feet.
MACK: Yeah, have you ever seen a...
FISHER: Up you go.
MACK: ...on T.V., how they, they, uh, load bullets by chance? Like those, like at, ah...
LEIBRANT: Factory?
MACK: ...bullet factory or something? They're all wired. They're wired. They have a copper wire running a ground so they don't have their body electricity, you know.
O'LAIRE: Cool as shit. Wow!
MACK: Really. That's how people fuck up. They're not careful. They just go, oh! I can make pipe bombs. You just pour the powder in (vocal explosion sound), you know. That's how they do it. Like different radio signals can set shit off.
O'LAIRE: What do they do? They wire you up? You wire yourself? Do you get a ground and...
MACK: Well, the thing to do is not to make 'em until it's necessary.
O'LAIRE: Well, I...
MACK: Then when it's necessary, you're not gonna give a shit. If you're sit, if we're all sitting here making pipe bombs, that means the shit has hit the fan.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, if you blow up, you're probably better off anyways.
MACK: Yeah. Exactly, so.
FISHER: Well, I wanna take a few with me. I just want to know.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I do too. I don't wanna just die.
GERMAN: Yeah
O'LAIRE: I wanna live for a while.
MACK: You wanna go out with a roar instead of a meow.
FISHER: Yep. You betcha.
O'LAIRE: I wanna have five hundred F-B-I and Mr. X-files.
FISHER: Yeah.
MACK: You guys are watching way too many movies (laughs).
GERMAN: (Laughs)
MACK: I think you, that's the, that's the, that's Ed, just glamour. We'll go out for the weekend, kill a few Feds. Come back, home, everything will be normal. Oh, shit, we can't...
CW: You just want to kill 'em all and just keep going.
FISHER: Yeah, there you go.
CW: I'm a weekend warrior.
FISHER: (Unintelligible)
MACK: (Laughs) I gotta go home and get some pussy, I can't...
FISHER: Yeah.
(Laughter)
CW: Start Monday, fresh.
GERMAN: Yeah.
(Laughter.)
MACK: I'll be with you guys back on Monday, we're in a cave. Okay, Ed, see you later. Bring us back some food, huh?
CW: Okay. You stay here all week. I'll be back on the weekend.
MACK: Yeah. Hm-mmm.
CW: Any videos you wanna watch?
MACK: Yeah. Hey, by the way, we got, where's our T-V? Are we getting one?
FISHER: (Talking over Mack) Another good thing for you is to think about is mark down any fresh water springs on your map.
GERMAN: Oh.
CW: That was their's. We just brought it down for...
GERMAN: Yeah.
CW: We will get one.
O'LAIRE: I know where a lot of them are.
FISHER: Mark them on a map. You'd rather ought to...
(Liebrant talking unintelligibly in the background)
MACK: Need one.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: ...share that information with the rest of the group so everybody knows (unintelligible)...
MACK: We got like this full library of all good info.
GERMAN: Yeah, I know, we better get one.
MACK: ' Cause I don' t know shit . (Laughs)
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: ...contaminated. But lake water, creek water
(unintelligible).
CW: I agree.
MACK: You agree ?
CW: Yeah.
MACK: We got all kinds of shit here.
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Another thing that might help is (unintelligible).
MACK: Everything from like a field surgery to everything.
GERMAN: Yeah. Yeah, we do got to start watching those.
O'LAIRE: The eternal flame of Ferndale. Natural gas.
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE : I don't know if you guys know about it...
CW: Yep.
FISHER: (Unintelligible) it's out by Action [sic Axton - ed.] Road.
O'LAIRE: Well.
CW: It's in Deer Creek.
FISHER: Yep. Deer Crik, yep.
GERMAN: The flame.
O'LAIRE: A party place at...
CW: I'll take that.
MACK: Oh, the eternal flame?
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
CW: (Unintelligible) all these flames are coming up, you put your hand under underneath it.
MACK: Yeah, you sit around and you smoke...
FISHER: Roast hot dogs. drink beer
MACK: ...pot and sing Kumbai Ya.
CW: You know how many times I been chased away by the cops and all the kids. Yeah, that's how long it's been.
FISHER: I have never been chased out of that place.
CW: I have. I was.
O'LAIRE: It's a big place.
GERMAN: Is, is it just a natural thing?
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah. It's natural gas.
CW: Comes out of the ground. Natural gas.
O'LAIRE: You put it out and then light it up again.
GERMAN: Hmm.
CW: Throw a big brick into the water and it goes out.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
CW: ...and you light it and put your hand underneath it.
MACK: Pretty psychedelic dude.
GERMAN: Yeah, I bet.
CW: It depends on what You're doing out there...
MACK: Yeah.
CW: ...if it's psychedelic or not.
MACK: (Laughs)
CW: Get real drunk and (unintelligible).
MACK: Yeah, you got lots of this I would assume.
O'LAIRE: Yeah. (Laughs)
MACK: Yeah, I figured as much, you're Mister Fisherman. Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I was thinking, (unintelligible).
MACK: That works real good for all kinds of stuff.
O'LAIRE: Hmm.
MACK: Yeah. It's all these little things. I mean you could, the more shit you got, the better prepared you are, the, the easier life is gonna be, you know. It's all little things that just make your life so much more comfortable. Like those little cans of sterno. That could save your life, you know? And it's real light and it fits in your pack and light that sucker up and you got heat and light and...
FISHER: It's great to cache.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: A couple of cans of those in every cache.
MACK: Yep.
FISHER: Along with the waterproof matches (unintelligible).
MACK: And they have the fuel tablets, like when you're Cub Scouts, you know. Those work great, too. You can't, we're not gonna be able to build fires 'cause they'll spot those and wipe us out. So if that's, you have to keep that in mind.
FISHER: Well, heat sensors, too.
MACK: Yeah, well yeah. I mean they'll see the smoke, this, the satellites will pick you up in no time and those wipe you out, so you can't have campfires.
FISHER: If you can get underground, in a natural then go ahead and use your, your heat...
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
FISHER: ...you're okay. You still can have fire that way. If you're shielded that way.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: And then these, uh...
O'LAIRE: I wonder if you could live underground (unintelligible).
FISHER: ...then these, uh, uh, emergency blankets, metal ones...
O'LAIRE: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: You know it? Shiny ones. Drop them over the face of the cave, only you wanna camouflage 'em first. I don't know if Marlin showed you our camoed ones or not. But just drop 'em over the face of the cave. That'll keep the heat sensors from coming in on you...
GERMAN: Hmm.
FISHER: ...at an angle.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: (Unintelligible) angle up any heat that you have in there.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: There's a lot of ways to protect yourself, but a natural cave someplace would be the ideal place.
MACK: Hm-mmm.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah, if anybody knows of any caves, we're always into new caves. You can go up there and check 'em out.
FISHER: And I was just mentioning, uh...
MACK: Put a big bury and cache in there or something, you know.
FISHER: I was just mentioning Circlog Springs (phonetic), too.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: Just put that on a map and share that with everybody. So they know where the water is.
MACK: Yep. Springs are good 'cause they can't contaminate it.
GERMAN: Hmm, yeah. Never thought of it that way.
MACK: But basically, I'm done.
MACK: I've been done?
LEIBRANT: Yeah, finally (unintelligible)
GERMAN: (Laughs)
MACK: Yeah.
CW: What do you thing about next Friday with John?
FISHER: That works.
CW: What do you think?
MACK: Put 'em in the chair.
CW: (Unintelligible), you know?
FISHER: I'd sure like to get some things settled.
MACK: Yeah.
FISHER: I really would.
CW: Well, you know where everything is at. You and Diewee.
FISHER: Oh, yeah, sure do. Yeah. Me and Diewee have (unintelligible) while we're here.
CW: What do you thing [sic], Rock? That fine?
GERMAN: Yeah. You wanna do that here?
CW: Yeah.
GERMAN: That way we'll...
CW: I'll do it right here, 'cause I want 'em to see it and then start telling us things and stuff.
MACK: (Laughs) Then have Fred come out of the bathroom.
GERMAN: Yeah. Actually. I like that idea, guys. Do that.
MACK: Fred knows where everything's at. I mean, he knows what is going on.
GERMAN: You know, we, we keep him in that room and don't even let him see this room and just have Fred stay in back here, so...
MACK: Oh, yeah.
GERMAN: ...until he says, Fred knows where everything is.
MACK: (Laughs)
GERMAN: Then say, wait a minute.
CW: He don't know shit.
FISHER: I can't believe it. Well, you know, when I
MACK: You can believe it.
FISHER: Yeah, I can believe. When we went out on the peninsula have to open a quiz, he just lied something terrible to those guys over there.
GERMAN: Oh, yeah.
FISHER: And I asked him about it on the way back, and I said, why do you have to lie to those people like that? Well, I gotta get 'em all pumped up, you know. I gotta make 'em think we got a big group up here and we got all the equipment so they'll all, you know, be with us. I said, that's not, that's not the way to be.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: If they're, if they're depending on us to have laws rockets and a case of grenades and shit like that, you know, and they come up here for this stuff, we ain't got doodily ass.
GERMAN: Yeah.
CW: We're dead.
FISHER: Yeah. Right.
GERMAN: Yeah
GERMAN: ...imagine if, if they were well equipped and they come up...
MACK: Yeah. We're into...
GERMAN: ...to meet up with us and...
FISHER: Right.
MACK: We're into quality over quantity. We don't care how many people we got. That, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, the people in this room right now, we could cause holy living hell in Bellingham right now. Take out power. Blow shit up. Fucking kill every cop in town. I mean the cops, they're just targets.
O'LAIRE: The cops are wimps here in Bellingham.
MACK: I know, I know.
O'LAIRE: Compared to the ones down in L-A and stuff.
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: I mean our cops don't know shit up here.
GERMAN: That's right.
MACK: So that, it's like I never worried about, you know, people are always concerned about numbers. You don't concern yourself with numbers.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I mean.
MACK: You worry about your group, and that's what we're trying to.
FISHER: Well, if you got five or six people, you're a lot better mobile than if you got sixty.
MACK: Oh, yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: You don't want a lot of people, because then they take a threat analysis.
FISHER: Yep.
MACK: They say, okay, there's six hundred men up here. Just fucking level 'em.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: If you got five guys, ah, they can't do shit. Then you come in town and raise holier than hell.
O'LAIRE: Knock out power and
MACK: Yep. So. Yeah, we're never too concerned about, so we ought to have, we got sixty-five hundred in, in Bellingham.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
CW: Handed at least that many patches out.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: We gotta get some more of those patches, too.
GERMAN: Yeah, they're still at the house.
MACK: Are they?
O'LAIRE: We could go over to the Herald building and get them back.
FISHER: What are we gonna do with those business cards? We got, we had a whole bunch made up.
MACK: There's some in the box.
FISHER: But what phone number's on 'em, see?
CW: John's.
FISHER: Yeah, there you are.
CW: But, are...
FISHER: Like I say, what are we gonna do? Just change the phone number on 'em?
CW: Well, Rock...
MACK: Call forward it to somewhere.
CW: Rock, come up with an idea, idea is for like minimum, we can get one of those voice answering phone numbers that anybody can reach within the militia and they tell you what the phone numbers are.
GERMAN: You can put your own voice message on it and change it all the time.
CW: Put your own voice message in. This is the Washington State Militia...
GERMAN: So it could almost be like an update phone.
CW: ...please leave a message and a phone number, at least we have the, if they're interested, they're gonna need a number. If they're not, they're not gonna wait for a phone call.
FISHER: Yeah.
CW: And that's not a bad idea.
FISHER: But see, I, I, I don't even pass those things out now, because I don't want John's number being passed out.
GERMAN: Yeah, that's right.
FISHER: I used to pass them out a lot.
MACK: I don't know, I even h-, we should call the number and see what it says, or if he answers, you know? I wonder what's going on.
CW: Here.
MACK: Should I give him a death threat?
CW: No, that's up to you. Think you're capable?
LEIBRANT: (Unintelligible)
MACK: I'm gonna kill you, Pitner, and then he'll call up and say, oh, fuck! I, uh, I'm not going to come back next month.
(Laughter) O'LAIRE: I take twelves, so...
GERMAN: You got a pair?
O'LAIRE: No, all these...
GERMAN: Oh, okay. All right, I'll look for a pair of twelves.
MACK: What do I gotta push, you just dial the number and then send?
GERMAN: Send, yeah.
CW: Yep.
MACK: Do I have to dial one?
GERMAN: Uh.
FISHER: Before you get in, you ever see Porky's (unintelligible)?
GERMAN: Out of the area code? No. It should, it should work.
CW: Tell him to come back Friday, Marlin. Tell him we want to see his butt on Friday.
FISHER: (Unintelligible) stand right, well, these here are only sixty-nine bucks.
O'LAIRE: Really.
FISHER: Out of the Sportsman's Guide. Yeah.
O'LAIRE: They waterproof, do you know?
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: How far up are they waterproof to?
FISHER: To there.
O'LAIRE: Yeah?
FISHER: Yeah. I don't know. There's a Sportsman's Guide magazine right there on top.
O'LAIRE: Yeah?
FISHER: They got all different types in there.
O'LAIRE: Who wants to make an order? Can I borrow this?
GERMAN: Sure.
FISHER: Sure.
O'LAIRE: If any, Josh, you wanna order something and might as well order all at one time. I hate ordering things out of these.
FISHER: Look, if you're gonna buy boots, I'd go a couple bucks more and get some good Goretex for field. You can buy anything just for, you know, everyday, just, but for field...
O'LAIRE: Well, I have boots for everyday, but...
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: ...I, I don't even use boots anymore 'cause I work on boats.
(Unintelligible conversation in background)
MACK: Like I said, just wanted to see if you were okay. Good deal. All right. Good deal. Okay, well, we'll see you when you get back. Oh, bye-bye. How do you turn it off? Just close it? Yeah, he answered the phone.
FISHER: Wow!
MACK: Yep. So.
O'LAIRE: If anybody wants to see that (unintelligible).
MACK: Sure.
CW: What he say?
MACK: He said, I asked him how he was, I just told him, Yeah. I'm just checking to see if you're still breathing. He said, oh, yeah. I'm kicking around out here. Gettin' things taken care of or whatever.
CW: (Unintelligible)
MACK: Yep.
CW: Cool.
O'LAIRE: It's all oily.
GERMAN: Hmm.
O'LAIRE: A three fifty-seven. I got a case for it, a cleaning kit.
MACK: Are you selling it just so you get your Glock?
O'LAIRE: Well, I can get my Glock, but I just don't wanna, I don't wanna be broke for a while. So, and I don't, I don't need three pistols, so I only need one.
GERMAN: Well, pretty nice to be able to cache one, though.
O'LAIRE: That's, that's what I was thinking, but I'm a poor man, so.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Doesn't your dad have money?
O'LAIRE: Yeah, but he has money and he already bought me some stuff. So he paid for my Glock and he bought my motorcycle for me.
MACK: He seems like a pretty cool guy, he's pretty funny.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, he's a good guy. I don't like to ask him for things.
MACK: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: He'd give them to me, but
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: How do you opening this up now?
(Leibrant and Fisher talking in background)
GERMAN: How do you open it up?
O'LAIRE: Oh, it's kind of, ah, I just push right like that and...
GERMAN: Okay. Didn't see it.
O'LAIRE: ...it's hard when people don't know how to do it, but it's easy for me.
GERMAN: Boy, it doesn't seem to want to.
O'LAIRE: You just kinda push on it and push with your thumb then press your fingers on it.
GERMAN: Hmm.
LEIBRANT: Yeah, it's got a little adjustment screw. Right there.
GERMAN: Oh. (Laughs)
O'LAIRE: Yeah, it's another. Yeah, I just, just push on it real lightly and then...
GERMAN: Hmm.
O'LAIRE: ...push like that. But it's, it shoots pretty accurate. I was getting decent groups or whatever.
MACK: Look at that guy, G-I Joe.
O'LAIRE: I got a leather case for it and
GERMAN: How much you looking for?
O'LAIRE: Hundred bucks. I sold my other one for a hundred bucks and I kinda wanted more for it, but the other one was stolen so...
GERMAN: Which one?
MACK: The one he sold Ed.
O'LAIRE: The one I gave Ed.
MACK: It's just I can't believe Ed would buy a hot gun.
O'LAIRE: Well, it's not that hot. That's the thing.
MACK: I'm kidding.
O'LAIRE: It was, it was like seven...
MACK: Ed would fucking buy any gun.
O'LAIRE: ...it was like seven years ago when it was stolen.
GERMAN: Yeah. No big deal. That's a good thing to cache 'cause then you don't have to worry about it...
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
GERMAN: ...if somebody digs it up.
O'LAIRE: I didn't steal it, so. My old girlfriend stole it for me.
GERMAN: (Laughs)
O'LAIRE: And gave it to me. Just gave it to me (unintelligible).
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: You might ask Fred. He might want it. I don't know,
(Several simultaneous unintelligible conversations in background)
MACK: He's got a three fifty, three fifty-seven for sale.
CW: You knew where the S-K-S's are, where the, all, everything was. You knew where it was.
MACK: Hundred bucks, I mean, I thought, pretty damned good deal.
O'LAIRE: It's accurate and it's never failed, but it comes with some goodies. It's got a case and it's got a box and a half of shells and it's got a little speed loader.
FISHER: It's not loaded?
O'LAIRE: No, it's not loaded. I drive a motorcycle and I don't want it bouncing around.
FISHER: Jesus Christ! You never, never have a gun that's not loaded.
O'LAIRE: Well...
MACK: You see what Rock has got himself back here (unintelligible).
O'LAIRE: Yeah, it's kind of okay.
GERMAN: Yeah, I was gonna...
O'LAIRE: Yeah, it's
FISHER: Okay. I just, it's catch, it's catching up just a little bit, yeah.
O'LAIRE: When you get used to it, I can do it real fast every time, just...
FISHER: Yeah. See mine is like...
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
FISHER: ... I got a ...
O'LAIRE: I got a case with it and...
FISHER: ...Smith and Wesson.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I get a decent group with it.
FISHER: Who's this?
O'LAIRE: What?
FISHER: Who, who's is, who puts this out?
GERMAN: Charter Arms.
O'LAIRE: Umm, Charter Arms.
FISHER: Charter Arms. Yeah, okay.
O'LAIRE: I bought it for one-seventy-five with three boxes of shells.
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: And I got a decent deal on it. I'm giving a better deal, so.
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: I just, 'cause I'm buying, my Glock comes tomorrow and...
FISHER: Oh, what, what model?
O'LAIRE: Seventeen.
FISHER: That's what I got.
O'LAIRE: Yeah. I got mine with two seventeen, seventeen round clips and a ten for four hundred and fifty bucks and night sights, and I already have a seventeen round clip, so.
FISHER: See, my wife bought me mine for three ninety-nine and I got two clips with it.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, they, they come three ninety-nine, but mine was used with the night sights and the...
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: ...two boxes.
FISHER: I got night sights on mine too, yeah. It's like, um, let me check to see who might be interested. A hundred bucks?
O'LAIRE: Hundred bucks and...
FISHER: Yeah. Because, uh, you know, I, I've got a couple loans already and I...
O'LAIRE: Can I leave this here?
GERMAN: Sure.
O'LAIRE: 'Cause I don't want to be riding around.
FISHER: (Unintelligible) thirty-eight specials (unintelligible).
GERMAN: No problem, yeah. Here. Just lock it right in here.
FISHER: I got a lot of, I got of handguns.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I've, I've got...
GERMAN: If they [sic] key's not, if it's ever locked, if the key's not right there, it's in the top dresser, dresser drawer.
O'LAIRE: Okay. Yeah, I've, that was my, let's see, I had, I had another one I sold to Ed, so I only need one. I mean I'd like to cache, I wanted to cache
GERMAN: Hm-mmm.
O'LAIRE: ...I can't really afford...
FISHER: Well, I'm going to cache a twenty-two, 'cause you can cache a whole lot in twenty-two shells.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: I was gonna get a little Ruger Mark Two. Those are so accurate, so easy, they never fail.
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: And twenty-twos are...
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: In fact, I'm gonna cache my, I'm gonna cache my twenty-two rifle, so, I've got a..
FISHER: Put a scope on it.
O'LAIRE: I got, ah, a good scope on it.
FISHER: Good.
O'LAIRE: Ten twenty-two stainless and...
FISHER: That's smart.
O'LAIRE: ...accurate and I'm gonna cache it in Bellingham.
GERMAN: You know, plus, I mean, you're up there and, you know, and they're not very close. Use a twenty two to hunt squirrels and game.
LEIBRANT: Hm-mmm.
FISHER: Yeah.
GERMAN: It's a lot better than using a three-O-eight.
FISHER: Hey, you can plink somebody in a head with it, that son of a bitch...
GERMAN: Oh, sure, yeah.
O'LAIRE: I can shoot...
FISHER: ...and just give 'em a hell of a headache.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I don't know, I...
GERMAN: But not in my joint over here.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, my, that twenty-two is accurate and everything up to a hundred yards and...
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: ...easy to carry shells and I've got about five thirty round and fifty round clips and all different kinds of stuff so.
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: It's the way to go, I think.
GERMAN: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: Just gonna camo it 'cause it's stainless.
FISHER: Hm-mmm. You bet. Sounds smart to me.
GERMAN: Yeah. You keep all that stuff here?
CW and MACK: Yeah.
MACK: I got more stuff too, as I said it's, I've been trying to clean my room and throw shit away.
GERMAN and FISHER: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah, I can keep bringing these down here or give them to Marlin to bring down because I can get that.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, I used to get all of it
GERMAN: Wonder which room we should have this in.
CW: It's got your name on it.
GERMAN: 'Cause it, nothing in here is flammable, right?
FISHER: I don't give a shit.
MACK: Nope.
GERMAN: Where do you think? Put it in there?
MACK: Sure. You might wanna put this somewhere else, though.
GERMAN: Yeah, why don't we put that in the bottom drawer there.
MACK: Remember that, though, when you're out in the bars.
GERMAN: Oh, yeah. Not that I ever go to bars.
(Door closes)
MACK: Those are mainly for Kevin, though, so he can see what we need.
GERMAN: Yeah.
CW: And prices.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: Yeah, look at the, if, if there's something you see that maybe I can pick up from the guy who's supplying me.
O'LAIRE: Well, I'm gonna be staying here for a while anyway, so I might as well just let you know.
GERMAN: Yeah, exactly. Uh, would you mind staying here with him and, uh?
O'LAIRE: No, I don't mind at all.
GERMAN: You guys have a ride home?
FISHER: Yeah.
GERMAN: Okay.
FISHER: I'll get it, I, I'm good to go. Marlin can go with me.
GERMAN: Okay. I gotta run and do some shit for them.
FISHER: Well, nice meeting you, partner.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, take it easy.
FISHER: Take care.
GERMAN: That one's for Gary?
CW: Yep.
O'LAIRE: If anybody wants, uh, get that pistol, then
FISHER: Yeah, I will talk to a couple people.
CW: I'll put that in my car on the way out.
GERMAN: Okay.
O'LAIRE: ...you can just come here and, um, I don't know, everybody here's got my number I think, so.
FISHER: Yeah. Well if we decide to get it, I'll get the cash to Ed or someone.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, and he can take ' em to where it is .
CW: Okay, let's plan for Friday.
FISHER: What time?
CW: Maybe I'll call John. It'll be after work.
FISHER: 'Kay.
CW: That's a good idea. We'll talk tonight.
FISHER: Yeah, let me know what time.
CW: Don't you think about this time would be good?
GERMAN: Yeah.
CW: Or a little earlier, just to get John down...
FISHER: About seven, you mean?
CW: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah, that's fine. Sounds great to me.
GERMAN: Yeah, that sounds good. Do you think he'll come down?
FISHER: I'd like to face that out.
CW: John? Oh, he would come down, yeah. He would come down. Especially when he says it's at the new site.
FISHER: You mean you want him to know where this is?
CW: Well, I don't
GERMAN: Yeah, we'll just keep him in the front room.
FISHER: Yeah.
CW: Oh, yeah. You're gonna be back here.
FISHER: Yeah.
GERMAN: We'll have to blindfold him and spin in circles a couples times.
MACK: We'll just kick his ass then he won't know where he is
O'LAIRE: Here's something good. A concealed weapons badge. Twenty-five bucks.
CW: (Unintelligible)
O'LAIRE: Don't waste your money on that. Just buy a box of ammo or something.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah. I'd like to get a hold of some stuff that goes boom in the night, big boom.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: You know, box of grenades or something. I'd love to get that.
GERMAN: Yeah, I wish, I wish my guy would give me that kind of stuff.
FISHER: Yeah.
GERMAN: But he's, you know, 'cause they come
FISHER: Even incendiary grenades would be good.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Even concussion grenades.
GERMAN: Yeah.
FISHER: Yeah. Concussion grenades would be all right, yeah.
MACK: Any kind of grenades, smoke grenades.
FISHER: But I'm, I'm really hip on the incendiary twelve gauge shotgun shells. I like those.
GERMAN: Yeah.
CW: Have you seen how far they throw?
FISHER: Yeah.
CW: A flame like a flame thrower.
FISHER: Yeah, a couple hundred yards, yeah. They'll get right out there.
O'LAIRE: What do they do the inner, are they magnesium with, with something or...
FISHER: They gotta be something like that because they're, they burn hotter than hell.
O'LAIRE: Now, what do they do to the, are they, how hard are they on your barrel then? They should be, might be hard on 'em.
FISHER: Well, see. I've got a police riot gun. It's made for that.
O'LAIRE: Yeah.
FISHER: A regular bird shot shotgun.
O'LAIRE: Uh-huh.
FISHER: Isn't made for that so it'll burn the barrel up or it might split it.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, see that's, well, I don't think it would
FISHER: See, my gun is made to shoot the slugs and all that crap. It's not made for really to shoot bird.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, well. You can if it's, or you wanted an improved cylinder, or you want, just, I mean. You don't want a full choke or have it modified to shoot slugs or anything, but I can saw a barrel off and I can shoot slugs all day and it's not gonna hurt at all unless I'm busted with that thing.
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: But I don't know if that'd be thick enough. My barrel's gonna be...
FISHER: Yeah.
O'LAIRE: ...or if the steel's strong enough. That's the thing I was worried about.
MACK: That's way too tight, though. Still too tight. You need to have it really loose, Josh, cause you're going to be wearing it (unintelligible) 'cause it's gonna, you're gonna be wearing it, you gotta figure maybe a jacket, you know.
FISHER: If you got a pump and you're shot in one arm, how you gonna operate that gun?
O'LAIRE: Oh, yeah. Well, I (unintelligible).
FISHER: If you got a semi-automatic, you can shoot it.
O'LAIRE: Yeah, but a semi-automatic will fail a lot quicker than a pump does. They fail a lot.
FISHER: I don't know. I've never had one fail. The only trouble I ever had was with a jammed R-R-Ruger forty-four forty.
CW: See, you, you want it looser in the back so you, it's easier for you to tighten it yourself. You know, if you want to tighten it, you wanna tighten it up in the front.
O'LAIRE: My dad had, ah, uh, Remington, um, auto loader blow, er, just go apart when he was duck hunting one time.
FISHER: Uh.
O'LAIRE: And...
GERMAN: Well, friend. That's all the rope we have. No. Just kidding. Once you're out in the bush for a little while. Yeah, you can loosen these up here, too. (O'Laire and Fisher continue conversation in background)
FISHER: I probably got midway at home. In fact, I got midway today. It's got ammo and...
O'LAIRE: Did you?
FISHER: ...parts in it. Yeah. I'll start bringing some of that stuff down here and giving it to you to bring down all the time.
MACK: Sure.
FISHER: Start off with paintballing and you guys are good to go.
MACK: Guy's getting fat like me, look at him, Fred!
FISHER: Yeah, I see him.
MACK: Look at him! (Laughs)
CW: Everybody here was skinny like Rock until they met you .
MACK: Yeah.
GERMAN: How's that feel? Is that, as long as you can tighten everything in the front, that's the way you want it. You don't wanna have to loosen things in the back. You want everything to be loose in the front.
MACK: You gotta gain that extra forty pounds for when we're in the brush and you haven't eaten for two weeks. (Laughs)
FISHER: oh, no. Yeah. Guess who I'm gonna be eating.
GERMAN: Yeah.
MACK: Luckily, he's got fat legs. He can run.
FISHER: That's right, boy.
CW: What happened to my fingers overnight, I don't know.
FISHER: I don't know. This finger bacon is sure good.
MACK: Actually you should probably take these.
GERMAN: Yeah, yeah, 'cause
MACK: You might be needing them tomorrow. Take 'em to your house, Ed.
CW: No. I ain't gonna bring 'em home.
(Unintelligible conversation in background)
GERMAN: You all set?
FISHER: Okay, guys. See you all later.
CW: Later.
MACK: Yep.
O'LAIRE: See you later. (Unintelligible)
GERMAN: All right, uh, I'll be back on Thursday. No, Wednesday night.
MACK: Okay.
GERMAN: Are we gonna have a meeting Wednesday night? Might as well.
MACK: Yeah, probably.
GERMAN: Okay. And hopefully I'll have good shit.
MACK: Okay. We want a lots of good shit.
GERMAN: All right, guys.
MACK: Later.
FISHER: Okay.
GERMAN: Fred, it's good seeing you again.
FISHER: We'll see you later. You bet.
(GERMAN exits building and walks to car)
(Non-pertinent conversation)
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